Punisher: War Zone: 10 Things I Didn’t Like, 5 I Did

Posted by Robert Fure (robert@filmschoolrejects.com) on December 8, 2008

Punisher: War Zone

Editor’s Note: As with many of our Ten and Five articles, this article does contain spoilers. Consider yourself warned.

Lately you’ve probably noticed a great deal of activity amongst us Rejects involving the simultaneously anticipated and dreaded release of Punisher: War Zone.  In the third attempt at bringing the ultimate bad-ass vigilante to the big screen, a third actor took up the assault rifle, joining the ranks of Dolph Lundgren and Thomas Jane.  In this incarnation, Castle is in New York, an ex-Special Forces instructor, punishing those who have done evil in the world.  His foes – the deformed Jigsaw and his insane brother, aptly named Looney Bin Jim.  What follows is a bloody mess of carnage, but did it impress?  From the title, you already know it didn’t.

Ten Things I Didn’t Like

10.  Frank Castle, Gymnast. There is no doubt in my mind Frank Castle is a fine human specimen and an athlete.  However, The Punisher is not known for running and sliding around on the ground or jumping 20 foot spans to crash through small, boarded up windows.

9.  Fake Accents. Listen, the movie is supposed to take place in New York, but if you’ve hired a bunch of non-New Yorkers (and a bunch of Non-Americans, even), please don’t make them try to sound like they’re New York mobsters.  They just end up sounding like piss poor cartoon characters.

8.  Pittsy is a Pussy. In War Zone, Pittsy is just some old, fat henchmen.  In the MAX comics, he is a salty mother who fights the Punisher very hard and takes an unbelievable amount of damage before finally being killed.   From hard-ass to lard-ass.

7.  Free Runners. Number one, I’m not sure why the Jamaican looking fella was Irish, but Free Running criminals is stupid, I hate it, I loathe it.  It was basically in the film for one sight gag, which was worth a chuckle, but not in a good way.

6.  Dominic West. This guy is awesome.  Lexi Alexander should have pulled him back though, as right from his first appearance on screen he is so far over the top he turns into a caricature.  He is to New York mobsters what Mario is to Italians.

5.  Campy Humor. There is some humor in the Punisher books, notably the Marvel Knights series (starting with Welcome Back, Frank, which coincidentally inspired much of the 2004 film), but I felt that campy humor doesn’t work well when you’re killing 185 people brutally.  Not only was it campy, it was flat out bad.  Dash Mihok absolutely nailed Detective Soap, but that sad-sap-loser version of him has no place in a serious Punisher film.

4.  Un-Punisher Like Moves. I’ve constantly stressed how the MAX line is the definitive book on The Punisher and that it is so well received because it is realistic.  The Punisher would not slide around on the floor.  He would not stand menacingly on the dining room table for 15 seconds with a flare.  He would not jump onto a chandelier and spin around firing willy-nilly with two automatics.  Leave that to Shoot ‘Em Up.

3.  Looney Bin Jim. They made this guy up for the movie and he sucks.  Terrible accent, over the top acting, and he knows like, crazy wall-flipping kung fu and has an extensive medical background or something.

2.  Jigsaw’s Recruitment Drive. Seriously?  First some gang-bangers are watching a projected image of the American flag (hoodlums are patriots!) and then Jigsaw delivers his Patton speech (as Editor Neil pointed out) and goes high-stepping around town.  What the hell.

1.  Uneven Tone. The movie was uneven to me.  There was a lot of brutal, bloody violence right out of the pages of MAX and the subtle Punisher of Ray Stevenson.  Good stuff.  But then switch over to the over the top cheese-fest that is Jigsaw and the villains?  For the love of all that is Holy, no thank you.  The Punisher is a serious character.  It is the hardcore version of Death Wish.  A movie like this should have dark humor, not cheese ball moments.  A movie about The Punisher should be dark and scary and horrible, for the most part.

Dishonorable Hatred: Micro.  I was excited at first, but hearing a grown man called “Micro” seemed very 1980s (Gee, I wonder why?).  If they were going to use Micro, I would have preferred seeing him survive this installment and then do his MAX storyline ending which was awesome.

Five Things I Liked

5.  Brunette Julie Benz. Julie Benz is everywhere and she is hot all over.  I like her with dark hair.

4.  The Cinematography. I wasn’t sold on the neon look of the film from the trailers, but on screen the films color choices and tone looked good.  It was dark and gritty and ugly, like Castle’s New York should be.

3.  The Guns. The Punisher loves guns.  He should have a lot of them and he does.  I was happy to see an extensive armory.  Castle also reloaded a lot, which is realistic, considering most handguns hold 15 or fewer rounds and his assault rifle likely held 30 rounds.

2.  Comic References. This is good and bad.  By having Pittsy in the movie, they give a shout out to the comic but ruin the character.  Most of the other stuff was great though.  Bradstreet hotel, after Punisher Cover Artist Tim Bradstreet, the line “Welcome Back” said to Frank, as in the “Welcome Back, Frank” storyline, and all the little nods like that were a nice touch.

1.  The Violence. This is a pretty violent film with a good deal of blood and gore, which is exactly what a Punisher movie needs.  That half of the film was great.  I liked the violence.  It was appropriate.

Honorable Like: Ray Stevenson.  I wasn’t blown away by Ray and he might not even be my favorite Frank Castle, but if he is excited to continue the character and we can get a good, dark sequel with him starring, I would be very happy.

There it is.  My 10 Dislikes and 5 Likes.  Now, I’m being hard on this movie because I love The Punisher.  I wanted something great.  This movie gave me 50% appropriate action violence and 50% utter shit corn ball comedy.  That I can not forgive, so it gets 10 dislikes.  That isn’t to say I ‘hated’ the movie, that I definitely didn’t love it.  I’m going to watch it again and will probably buy it on DVD.  I just need Castle and his righteous journey.  But this was a pretty weak movie, great for its level of violence, but utterly horrible due to dialog and the cheesy villains.  Better luck next time (and I so want there to be a next time).

What did you think of Punisher: War Zone?


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  • Bugs
    Totally disagree about The Slavers. While it may be the best MAX storyline, it's much too grim to make a good flick. For once, we got a REAL Punisher movie and it flops, so I don't think that "more despairing" is the way to go.
    Ruining Pittsy? Please. They "ruined" Cavella, Ink and Budianski too; those won't weren't the guys I paid to see. I wanted Castle. I got him. Who cares what names the cannon-fodder have?
    The spinning was silly and un-Castle; the sliding was fine. Parkour is stupid; Castle's 15-foot building leap'n'crash was GREAT! The camp was GLORIOUS; Castle killing an "innocent" was the ONLY mistake in the movie. The rest was PURE Castle.
    Read up on your Punishers, folks.
    Peace
  • Bugs
    A lot of youse would have more credibilty saying how they "shoulda done it" if you mentioned OTHER storylines than the Ennis ones. It tells us REAL fans that you've only hopped on the Punisher bandwagon very recently and don't know the character as well as we do.
    There were OTHER writers before Ennis who told EXCELLENT stories as well. So enough with Barracuda and Zhakarov and Rawlins. What about the Carbones? Or the Central Park "hunting trip"? Or the Columbians? Or Bushwacker? Or the "Ten to Noon" story? PLENTY of stories, not just Ennis'.
    Peace
  • Christopher M
    For an action movie with a budget of $35 million (box office mojo)...it was a good effort!...hopefully they get a better script next time around and pump in more cash to make the film bigger and better...I'm up for a sequel like many fans of the Punisher..now that they got the action, violence and the Punisher down...let's work on the parts between the shootouts....
  • casteel
    i loved the Punisher with Thomas Jane. I thought it did a great job, so I was not thrilled when I saw Ray Stevenson take up the mantle. I have to say, the movie was just generally bad throughout. Some parts just made me laugh, as I started to count how many exploding heads i would see before the end of the movie. I do have to tell you, the very very ending of the movie with the whole "Punisher Saves" thing. Very creative. I loved that. The horrible comedy affect after the fact was not needed, and would have been better if it ended without it.
  • Quit hiding behind "real" fandom. This movie sucked. Saying that just because Stevenson was a good Punisher it was a good film is like saying you had a really good dinner because the chicken was pretty good, but the vegetables and potato tasted like ass. Also, plenty of people have read plenty of Punisher - this was not great. And again, this is supposed to be a MAX version of Punisher, so we wanted dark stories and MAX characters.
  • 6oober
    have read alot of punisher stuff.ennis marvel knights stuff was lame.end of.and what went before,even worse(sucked).the max line is the only thing that gives the punisher any real weight.mainly due to garth ennis adult orientated writing.this movie was really only made because of the popularity of the max line/ennis punisher so why they couldnt have ennis himself flesh out a story for film eludes me.
  • Bugs
    "Hiding"? No, I'm right here, Robert. REAL Punisher fans know Castle when we see him. You don't. And that's it. Not knocking you for it but face the facts, before Ennis, you didn't even know who Castle was. You thought he was a guy who drove around with a hydrant trying inorder to get parking tickets which will help in his endeavor to get a friend in bed with a guy's wife. You like the vegetables.
    What if we just like chicken? We don't care if the veggies were terrible; we had no intention of eating them.
    "WE" wanted? No. "YOU" wanted. The "film buff", the "Citizen Kaner".
    The very reasons you list as lame-o, WE loved.
    Furthermore, I know for a FACT that other REAL Punisher fans have been trying to tell you the same: For the FIRST time, we have a REAL Punisher movie.
    Could it have been better? Sure.
    Citizen Kane too. But we'll settle for a FAITHFUL Punisher movie that bombed than a COMPLETELY UNFAITHFUL movie that broke even.
    That's the dif between US and you, Robert. As right as you may be, movie production-wise.
    Peace
  • Haha. Click on my name and go check out the films I review highly. I'm definitely no "Citizen Kaner." You can love Ray as "The Punisher" and Frank Castle. That doesn't mean this was a good Punisher movie. I guess if you wanted to see something like, I don't know, a 1992 era comic, when the Punisher was in decline, then maybe you got it. I don't like the Punisher with campy supporting characters. I don't consider him one. My favorite storylines are obviously MAX, then followed by stuff like the 1986 miniseries, the first few arcs of War Zone.

    Times have changed and I think having a campy villain like Jigsaw in a Punisher movie and not taking him seriously is like putting Robin in Batman Begins, having him say "Holy Flightless Birds, Batman!" and having the villain be The Penguin who uses his silly umbrella weapons and waddles around, trying to steal diamonds from rich old women.

    But clearly we're not going to agree on War Zone or, really, any Punisher movie, apparently, and that's fine. I liked War Zone for all the parts with Stevenson and the Punisher killing people (except for the odd thing, like chandelier swinging) but hated pretty much any moment without him on screen.
  • nicky_cavella
    most of what you said was true some things werent neccesary in the film but it was fun to watch. RAY is the PUNISHER. true pittsy is one ugly mofo in the MAX series and as for INK well.....just another pretty boy just like THOMAS JANE was in the film. no matter what RAY will always be the punisher. heck the definition of PUNISHER is RAY STEVENSON. but since it flopped i dont think there going for a sequal. i was hoping they used THE SLAVERS and somehow put BARRACUDA right in there. and as for maginty that should have been pitsy dying just like in the graphic novel instead of getting his head blown off. i dont get why everybody in the mainstream is bashing this film. this was kind of wut i was hoping. using GARTH ENNIS story arc and his style of violence to tell the punisher story. i dont think thomas jane was punisher it was an ok film but not the punisher. he didnt really capture punisher for one thing especially when he said he was over the death of his wife and kids in that one scene with the girl. you guys can tell me thomas jane is a better punisher but i dont care RAY will always be the punisher.
  • Bugs
    Oh. Well, that's different. The movie is goofy; ain't gonna deny it. It was still better than watching Jane drinking and trying to look tough for 90mins, no?
    Thought we were talkin' about Castle, Robert. As in: THIS was a Castle movie. The others weren't.
    Agreed? Is Ray The Man or not?
    I thought he was. To the Max, in fact.
    Agreed? That this is not only the BEST but the ONLY Castle movie ever made?
    Even if it was a campy splatterrama, it blows its predecessors away. Sad as you make that statement out to be, if YOU are prepared to own it on DVD, then SURELY your 5 good points outweigh your 10 bad ones. I'm sure you could not tolerate all that crap with NO Castle to boot.
    As "bad" as it was and despite your love for Jane, let me hear you say that War Zone was the BEST Punisher movie so far.
    Peace
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