Vic

Vic

Thanks. Good to see that I still get a little bit of respect around here.

Oh, wait…

Thanks. Good to see that I still get a little bit of respect around here.

Oh, wait…

Dissent isn’t being prohibited in any way here. ID had it’s chance to prove itself, and it epically failed. Time to move on.

And the movie isn’t about dissent, it’s about pushing an agenda. I have complete confidence that proponents of evolution have no worry about dissent from ID, but we cannot mistake their dismissive attitudes of it as uneducated of biased. They dismiss it because it’s been shown to be unsound. What those in the science community are afraid of is our children having ID presented to them as science when it is clearly not.

There’s no conspiracy here to keep ID out of science anymore than there’s a conspiracy to keep the heliocentric view of the universe out of science. They’ve been run through the system and deemed unfounded, without empirical evidence.

Should any idiot have free speech to make a movie? Sure. But that doesn’t entitle him or his opinion to acceptance. Sorry ID.

Plus, I often find that dissenting for dissenting’s sake is tiresome and useless. Come up with a theory as strong as evolution, and then the community will talk.

And Fure, you’re just upset that all the acid rain you get is dissolving your El Camino. But don’t fret! It’s still easy to pick up the ladies without a dope ride when you’ve got that ‘stache. You of all people should know that.

Dissent isn’t being prohibited in any way here. ID had it’s chance to prove itself, and it epically failed. Time to move on.

And the movie isn’t about dissent, it’s about pushing an agenda. I have complete confidence that proponents of evolution have no worry about dissent from ID, but we cannot mistake their dismissive attitudes of it as uneducated of biased. They dismiss it because it’s been shown to be unsound. What those in the science community are afraid of is our children having ID presented to them as science when it is clearly not.

There’s no conspiracy here to keep ID out of science anymore than there’s a conspiracy to keep the heliocentric view of the universe out of science. They’ve been run through the system and deemed unfounded, without empirical evidence.

Should any idiot have free speech to make a movie? Sure. But that doesn’t entitle him or his opinion to acceptance. Sorry ID.

Plus, I often find that dissenting for dissenting’s sake is tiresome and useless. Come up with a theory as strong as evolution, and then the community will talk.

And Fure, you’re just upset that all the acid rain you get is dissolving your El Camino. But don’t fret! It’s still easy to pick up the ladies without a dope ride when you’ve got that ‘stache. You of all people should know that.

“All too often ID proponents are cast as Creationists in disguise, trying to slip religion into schools through the back door.”

Until you show me an ID supporter who is an atheist, your suggestion of libel is hyperbole.

“Why did it have to be a wet dream?”

It’s a fair assumption. Have you not seen all his Hot Chick/Michael Bay posts?

“All too often ID proponents are cast as Creationists in disguise, trying to slip religion into schools through the back door.”

Until you show me an ID supporter who is an atheist, your suggestion of libel is hyperbole.

“Why did it have to be a wet dream?”

It’s a fair assumption. Have you not seen all his Hot Chick/Michael Bay posts?

“… no solid theory need worry about dissent, and no uncertain theory should be free of it.”

Education can be had by discussing opposing viewpoints and drawing conclusions from the process, not shutting down the discussion by prohibiting the dissent because you don’t agree with it.

“… no solid theory need worry about dissent, and no uncertain theory should be free of it.”

Education can be had by discussing opposing viewpoints and drawing conclusions from the process, not shutting down the discussion by prohibiting the dissent because you don’t agree with it.

Matthew, prepare for an avalanche of dissent. I don’t know many people who liked this as a movie let alone as a decent educational movie about ID.

1. Stein confuses the issues of evolution, ID and creationism with all the subtlety of a jackhammer. He keeps changing the rules.

2. He parades through a small handful of academics that were fired for varied reasons and claim to be persecuted because of their beliefs.

3. The science community accepts evolution as a daily, visible means of progression. The debate is on what brand is correct – which is where Darwinism gets challenged. He opined a Natural Selection while others believe Neutral Selection is a better model. Stein misses this point because he stays on the surface.

4. ID is creationism. And it’s without any empirical proof.

Have we come up with a genre for this type of non-fiction film (and those of Michael Moore)? Faux-cumentary maybe? Not-cumentary?

I doubt they’ll let us call it propaganda.

Matthew, prepare for an avalanche of dissent. I don’t know many people who liked this as a movie let alone as a decent educational movie about ID.

1. Stein confuses the issues of evolution, ID and creationism with all the subtlety of a jackhammer. He keeps changing the rules.

2. He parades through a small handful of academics that were fired for varied reasons and claim to be persecuted because of their beliefs.

3. The science community accepts evolution as a daily, visible means of progression. The debate is on what brand is correct – which is where Darwinism gets challenged. He opined a Natural Selection while others believe Neutral Selection is a better model. Stein misses this point because he stays on the surface.

4. ID is creationism. And it’s without any empirical proof.

Have we come up with a genre for this type of non-fiction film (and those of Michael Moore)? Faux-cumentary maybe? Not-cumentary?

I doubt they’ll let us call it propaganda.