Couldn’t agree more on #3 of your dislikes. Don’t get me wrong, this movie is what all of Batfans wanted. However, the hysterical hype surrounding it and Ledger’s Joker was just a little bit too much and after my first viewing, I kinda felt like I was cheated.

But…after seeing it a second time I have to say that my attitude changed somewhat. I do still feel that the movie was over hyped.

Concerning the hype:

I HATE it when marketing folks try to tie a movie to any product on the shelves or find a way to stuff it in some kid’s Happy Meal even though the movie’s theme has absolutely nothing to do with it thematically.

“Try new Domino’s ‘Gotham City Pizza’!” (Seriously, W.T.F?)

“Get the ‘Dark Knight’ Bobbleheads!” (”The Dark Knight” is a kid’s movie?)

I think stupid tie-ins like these tend to dullen the effect of a film. Think about it, would you be as scared of “The Exorcist” if you were inundated by ads for “Exorcist”-flavored Cap’n Crunch with pea-green milk coloring for months before it was released?

I don’t think Two Face is dead. He fell from the same height that Batman did and Batman got up and ran away. I was thinking that Two Face would be the primary villain in the next movie, and I really hope this happens. I thought Aaron Eckheart almost stole the show from Ledger. When they showed Harvey Dent first start his descent into madness after the attack on the funeral service, that scene was brilliant. I audibly gasped when he took out the coin and I realized what was going on.

FUCK the cell phone gps bullshit.. so stupid.

whats up with Michael Jai White always being in superhero movies that involve an evil clown?

Oh? You see, I actually thought they made the right choice by killing Two-Face off. I mean, the whole reason he was “evil” was because he was avenging Rachel by killing the corrupt cops and trying to kill Gordon who didn’t listen to him when he tried to tell him about the corrupt cops early in the movie.

He said “You think I wanna escape from this?! There is no escape from this!” when they were at the warehouse. He intended on dying I think. I mean, I don’t think he would make a very good villain for another movie because he still thought he was kind of doing the right thing when he got revenge for Rachel. If he did anything else, it’d be out of character. I think it’s a good thing they made a clean slate for the next movie. Harvey was a good guy deep down inside. He was just confused and hurt. I think he just wanted to rest knowing that he had avenged Rachel.

I’m not going to “roast” any of these dislikes, but I do have a problem with 2 of them:

Firstly, the “Batlash”/hype. Is that something the movie should be blamed for? I mean by
saying that this is #3 of the 5 things you “Disliked” about the movie, is that fair to the
filmmakers or the movie? I don’t think so. Try this, if you take out everything that was
said about the movie starting with the very first review and leave only what Warner Bros.
have given, does it meet your expectations then? The filmmakers don’t plan for the hype
in pre-production or anything and we shouldn’t judge their product based on it. I
understand it’s hard to go into a movie, especially one like this, open minded because of
all the reviews and hype, but if you don’t and you base everything on one’s opinion,
you’re doing a great injustice to the movie.

Lastly, the run time. Personally, it didn’t affect me as much as it did some people. I think
these summer movies are longer because it is in fact summer. Most people don’t really
have a schedule the next day, so they can afford to stay up a little later or sleep in the
next day. I didn’t notice the run time and, in fact, I wanted more the first time I saw it. I
remember late last year when There Will Be Blood came out and people came to its rescue
saying that it wasn’t too long and that, artistically, it had to be that long to get the story
across. What? The Dark Knight was 6 minutes shorter than There Will Be Blood. It was
also 16 minutes shorter than Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End.

Excuse my rants… I’m done.

I disliked nothing. It was a wonderful and deep film. I honestly didn’t expect it to be that good.

Wait a minute.

Who says Two-Face DIED?

I saw no corpse, I just saw him knocked out.

That wasn’t a funeral, that was a memorial.

No one actually said that Dent was dead. I don’t think he is dead.

I think you hit the nail on the head for the most part.

I take issue with death of “Two face” and “Raz al gul”.
1) it was a Eulogy for Harvey, most likely “Two Face” is in Arkham, because in the cannon
Harvey is dead there is only “Two Face” left.
2) Raz al Gul never dies, no matter what the hell happens to him he is always resurrected,
so to pronounce him dead is a bit much.
Other than that I think you’re pretty much spot on where it counts.

Did Two Face die? Maybe I am being dense here but I didn’t think he died. I just assumed they called him dead and hustled him off to Arkham. I haven’t watched it a second time and I see why people think Two face is dead, but I left the theater and walked around a couple of days thinking he lived.

Also, I like that Heath Ledger performance was separated from the Joker in your likes. That Joker was one of the best versions I have ever seen, and while I think Heath did a great job, to me it was more the writing that made the Joker such a bad ass.

Of course you have to replace Heath and bring the Joker back at least for a cameo. You don’t stop producing a comic just because an artist or writer dies or decides to do something new. Give another talented actor a chance to step in and give this wonderful archetype a try.

I agree with everything you’ve said, except for the hype bit.

I don’t think it’s fair to list overhype as a flaw of the movie…..it’s the fanboys that did that, not the people responsible for the creation of the film.

I’m not saying I fully support it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if The Dark Knight gets a nomination or two at the Academy Awards this year….

Your dislikes of the film are in direct contradiction to what you like. Want to have your cake and eat it to eh? Choke on it.

All the goofy technology really took me out of the moment:

-The balloon escape
-How batman can glide around effortlessly on his wings
-The bat sonar and glowing eyes
-Re-constructing a finger print from a shattered bullet
-Even the bat mobile and bike

I know it’s Batman and that’s how it goes, but all this stuff clashed with the fairly realistic tone of the movie for me.

I think Two Face dies. For one he was set up to be a tragic character.

Also, although the movie never states this, I assumed that because he was so badly burned he could never last for long anyways. He basically knew he was screwed and so made one last push to run around and take revenge on everyone before he succumbed to his injuries.

nice film,i also saw many good films on ::::::::M e e t i n g W e a l t h y.c o m:::::::::it’s a nice club where there are many film fans. if you go there,you’ll know what i mean—-so wonderful—-

Yes its great Dawes died out in this movie.But she was the character we supposedly needed to understand what Bruce and the Batman were thinking all the while(cause we know how small minded we are). and I too dont believe TwoFace is dead.He has much more to give to Gotham as a villian.The big Payback! and it is a shame about Ledger because he gave us a Joker we can all love and even some of us can sympathize with :)..so really there were no bad points to this film although it WAS a bit long..oh yeah and thanks for ruining the movie for otheres who havent seen it yet.Im still trying to bootleg it..jk..maybe..

I agree with the Bat-Voice. It works great in short bursts, but conversations make it seem silly. Though, much better than having the voices the same. And I agree that a large chunk of Ledger’s performance was due to scripting. Still, it was a great performance. Dialogue aside, I remember the hospital detonator business - that was perfect Joker.

And he did lie about who was where per Dent and Dawes being blown up. He’s a cruel man. I was pretty sure he had lied about the detonators on the ferries - not that we’ll ever know. I would have been non-surprised if the people had turned the key and their own boat had blown up. Honestly, though, I like the way it turned out.

As for Dent being dead - I am not a fan. I was thinking he’d be the main next movie as well. I am upset that we may not see the Joker again, but there must another person who could take on that role. I loved the dynamic created between Joker and Batman - that here was a nemesis being created, someone Batman would be in constant battle with.

Anyway. We had an intro. We’ve had somewhat of a descent into madness. The next one will probably turn our Dark Knight into a Caped Crusader once more. Though, if they call the movie “The Caped Crusader” I will certainly be wondering who the hell is in charge around here.

I disagree with the movie length. I would much rather have a great, longer movie, ala the Gladiators and such, then have movies that leave you wanting so much more. Two recent ones come to mind: I Am Legend and Cloverfield. Those movies both couldve been an hour longer and people still would have enjoyed them. Instead they failed because they were just so short.

Dude. Seriously. I think you just ruined the whole “Gordon dies and comes back” subplot for me. A spoiler tag or two would be nice.

I knew Gordon wasn’t dead just as I know Two-Face isn’t dead - this is a precursor to the other movies in which they both appear. My favorite part was the whole sequence with the Joker in the nurse’s outfit, right down to the last bit where he played with the detonator and walked all funny like he had never walked upright before. That was awesome. It proved the point that the character is a madman who has a very perverted sense of humor.

That’s a pretty weak list of things not to like, more like didn’t like as much.

Here’s a list of things not to like:

1. Apparently Gotham is now Chicago not Manhattan, and why is it so freaking bright all the time. Begins was much more correct to the mood of Gotham in both Architecture, lighting, style. Interesting that they were both shot in Chicago but look so different. Gotham is Concrete, not Glass and Steel.

2. A city the size of Gotham has a General Hospital that is only 4 floors high?

3. The Joker went from being a supervillan with style to just a garden variety psychopath. Where’s the flair? I want the cellphone in the guys stomach to have a cool ringtone at the very least… so many ironic songs come to mind. Except for the odd joker poker card being tossed around you could have called that character any name you choose and it would have had no effect on the film.

4. What was up with going to Asia? The whole point of that 15 minutes was to show the escape mechanism.

5. The movie was about 30mins too long because they needed to reinforce Harvey Dent as The White Knight about 5 times because otherwise Batman didn’t seem Dark enough.

6. As stated previously.. Raspy-voiced Batman gets very tiring, if you’re going to have someone talk like that don’t give them a soliloquy.

7. The Batpod was *inside* the batmobile? Really?

let two-face die. you guys want him to survive on a technicality, namely (i didn’t see it so it didn’t happen.) that’s the kitcshy garbage that belongs in a schumacher movie. these movies are better because they defy convention. they made harvey/two-face a human instead of a villian. they told his story. let him die.

“I was going to read this, but there’s too many grammar flubs in your writing. That is all.”

Bit of advice: if you’re going to judge the grammar of another, make sure your own grammar is immaculate. “there’s” does not match your plural subject “flubs”. That is all.

As for the critique, I appreciate the dislikes section. It’s unique, as far as I’ve seen. I think i’m going to go against the grain here and argue that Maggie gyllenhall’s character was, in fact, a good performance and necessary to the movies. The Dark Night (and Batman Begins, for that matter, despite my dislike for Katie Holmes’s acting) would not have had the same realistic feel if Bruce had not had that close companionship evident in Rachel’s character. The endings of both movies would also have been drastically different had Rachel not been a character, and I’m wondering if anyone had any ideas as to how the Dark Night would have turned out differently were there no Rachel character. I disliked Katie Holmes’s acting in Batman Begins, but I thought Maggie Gyllenhall did a good job; she didn’t take me out of the experience, and I’m not expecting her to be a major character, but she had several key roles, and advanced the plot, especially in this movie. Finally, what would have been the cause of Harvey Dent’s slide into Two-Face were it not for the death of his betrothed? Rachel was a necessary character if for no other reason than as a plot advancing pawn.

Finally, I also took issue with the writer’s grammar. Definitely hurt his credibility as a critic. Quick hint, it’s “reel” me in, not “real” me in (you’re “reeling” as you would a fishing rod). Thanks for the interesting viewpoint though!

my dislike:

i have to say the way bale “growls” his words as batman is pretty irritating… especially that first scene with batman as he gets into the vehicle.. it sounds like he’s bringing up a loogie… it’s a bit much for the character…

and to be honest.. there wasn’t a whole lot of batman in the actual film…it seemed like bale was a third frontman.. the movie couldve been called Harvey Dent and the Rise of Joker…

The one thing that bothered me was how Two-Face was able to speak properly. He seemed to be getting his m’s, b’s, and f’s out pretty well for someone missing half his lips.

One of my main dislikes is all of the quick camera cuts during action scenes. Take the multiple impersonator batman scene for example. It was very hard to follow. There were several sequences like that were the camera would just cut away to quickly. Anyone else notice that?

P.S. Overall, I enjoyed the movie and plan to see it again.

I didn’t like the exploding boat scenario. I thought they could have come up with something better to prove to the Joker that humanity isn’t as chaotic as he is. I also didn’t like the way he was caught. He outwitted the entire police force and batman throughout the movie and then lets himself get strung up in the end. A bit anticlimactic. Still loved the movie though, especially Ledger’s part.

After the accident… Harvey “Two Face” Dent still had perfect diction.

“I’ll get you Batman!”

shoud have been

“Ha’l gidchooew baidman!”

Maybe not that exaggerrated… but something!
That’s the only thing I couldn’t buy.

(Batman’s coin landed good up, but Twoface shot him anyway… such a cheating lawyer.)

That was a very honest and personally to me, accurate way to review this movie. I totally agree on the hype thing. I am so anit-hype about most to everything that I felt almost ashamed I am part of this hype machine. I internalize all my experiences and all my expectations and reviews and rarely gush about such things.

I admire your honesty. I will coming to this website more often.

The fact that Rachael blew up should have been your honorable mention!

Great review I agreed with just about everything, especially the part about how it was a bit overhyped and movie goers losing the ability to think for themselves. Even though it was a very strong movie I think theres a small percentage of fans out there who would have liked the movie no matter what, just because they were TOLD they were going to like it. I think two face was a bit of an afterthought, they did a great job with Dent, making him almost as heroic as Batman in the beginning but after he became two face he seemed to barely get any screen time and his journey as a villian seemed a bit rush. The one thing I disagree with you on is on Rachel Dawes, I thought Maggie G. (not going to attempt the rest of her name) was an upgrade.

Aaron Eckhart is signed on for two movies, so obviously Two-Face.Harvey isn’t dead.
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compare this movie to anything else that came out this year and you will have to say that it actually is perfect. if only all movies were made this way….but then again leave it to a critic to critique it and he’ll/she’ll find something wrong w/ it.

i think w/ ur dislikes, you you sound like you are reaching. it sounds like you are trying to put a downside on the movie for the sake of being a critic.

just give in….absorb it. give it a second viewing and you will find this is one of the best movies you have ever seen. no flaws….

I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this or not, but I thought some of the action/fights scenes were difficult to follow. Maybe I just need glasses…

I also thought the cellphone sonar was kind of lame. I felt like the writers were trying way too hard to make it current and political - ie, domestic wiretapping.

I liked the Dark Knight movie it is the best super movie i have seen and i don’t dislike anything.

I could not stand Rachel Dawes either.

I too think that the length of the movie is satisfactory. To me there are some tales that simply can’t be told in an hour and 45mins. With the amount of characters and plot points in the TDK the film would have suffered tremendously if shortened up.

As for the deaths of Harvey Dent and Ra’s al Ghul:

Don’t forget your Ra’s history. He always seems to find a way back. He is after all 600+ years old thanks to the Lazarus Pits. He also made reference in Batman Begins of immortality at Bruce’s birthday party, and right before the train crashed seemed to go into a type of meditation, indicating (to me) a kind of Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan-esk commune with the after life.

I also believe that Harvey Two-Face is alive in Arkham Asylum. I don’t think that he was killed from the fall. I do however think that Dent himself is in the proverbial sense dead, and was put to rest quietly for the good of Gotham.

“Batman isn’t supposed to be a killer”

It was immediately after artists started dismissing this ignorance and went back to the true source material and realized that, in fact, Batman is very, very, very, very, very close to being a killer…and at times even flat-out was. You are familiar with the concept of where the moicer “Dark Knight” came from right?

These movies, for the first time, have actually started telling the Batman story. It is not about a really good guy who is compelled to clean up the streets and make the world a better place. It is about a deeply disturbed guy who has a compulsion to beat the living snot out of bad people…and at times has a very difficult time keeping these tendencies in check.

Just like Bond (which the movies before Casino didn’t even come close to touching) was a man haunted and tormented by his “liscense to kill”, what makes Batman compelling is that he is not a good guy…well, not all the time…sorta…kinda depends on if you tick him off or not…

Jester: The victim coin reference was Gordon’s son. Watch the movie again.

I’m okay with Two-Face dying. In all honesty, I felt the film kind of lagged just a touch when the Joker’s story was finished. What more could be done with Two-Face? Not much. Dent/Two-Face was the main thematic element in the film. To bring him back would bog down the next story. It’s time to see Batman become the outcast, which will inevitably result in the city having no choice but to turn to him when all hell breaks loose.

The GPS cellphone element really made me think of the wiretapping issues Congress is fighting George Bush over with Homeland Security. Very Orwellian and scary when you think this could really happen.

They can re-cast the Joker but I doubt anyone will be able to live up to the standard Heath Ledger set. And I hear they’re ready to introduce the Riddler anyway.

And Batman didn’t try to go after Harvey Dent in the rescue scene. He chose to go for Rachel but was tricked by the Joker.

I can’t be too upset about the Hype Machine. The Batman franchise is owned by Warner Bros. Their job is to make money, so the best way to do it is to get the word out as much as they can. All of the awesome writers at FSR, me included, were more than happy to talk about the film. The hype helped the film break box-office records, which we were all applauding. You can’t have it both ways.

I loved this movie, except the part where he flips the bike on the wall by riding up and then flipping it around and stopping still, if not this it would have been perfect to me.

Critical…and a little naive.

Don’t tell me you actually thought Gordon was dead, my god he wasn’t even ‘commissioner’ at the point he got shot. Did you honestly not believe he was the driver right from the beginning? How about when he continued to attempt escape from the barrage of heavy artillery headed their way, still think he was one of the Joker’s goons?? Read into things a little, you’ll find the swimming’s better not so in shallow waters.

I think the next movie shouldnt have just one villian. I think the gang wars arc of a few years ago would be amazing for this series. Gang Wars submerges batman in to the hate of Gotham and it happens that he is already on the down slide in the end of this movie. Having all the gangs of Gotham flip out and go bonkers could be the ultimate movie all action burning Gotham to the ground only to have the hero the city deserves to quote the movie come back and rescue it from pure darkness. Screw Dent give me the anarchy that the joker started. Also Holiday could be a possible villian since the Falconi Family connection wasnt lost.

A couple more thoughts on some of the posts.

1. @Nick- The Bat-Sonar device blinded Batman because the Joker made it malfunction in his melee. We see Batman turn the Sonar device on and off earlier when he recognizes the clowns are the hostages.

2. Gotham looks like Chicago- This was the most true to life comic film I have seen and I truly enjoyed that the city looked like something I could walk right into. Haven’t we all been complaining for years about the settings of Batman being too campy and unrealistic? (Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher’s Gotham…eww.)

3. Gordon Dies- I think this was a great twist for the Batman novice. But of course he wasn’t dead. As many others have said, he wasn’t even Commissioner yet. It made the viewer more invested in Gordon, particularly at the end with this family.

4. The Joker’s scars origin- I loved that he told the story right before he cut someone up. In fact, not knowing what really happened to the Joker made him more mysterious. I disagree with anyone who says he became a run of the mill sociopath and would take one scene from Heath Ledger over Jack Nicholson’s entire performance.

@ Pat

I think that was counting… The cop in the bar, the mobster, his driver, himself (maybe?), and I think Gordon might have thought Ramirez was dead. If not, I’d count in the cop who died in the hospital (even though technically the Joker shot him) or even a second mobster in the car with Harvey and Marconi (I saw a guy get in the passenger’s side…).

Two Face’s “makeup” killed it for me. I mean honestly, the Joker’s makeup was badass, why
couldn’t the makeup dude go to town on Harvey’s face?? I’m sure any makeup artist would
have killed to do Harvey’s face…but they gotta fix it in post with a cheesy default
Mummy/Terminator look geeeeeeeeeeeez. The dude was walking around with his bone and
muscle exposed…not burns on his face with melted skin…BONE AND MUSCLE. Give me a
break.

to THETRUTH you’re a moron. the twoface design is a homage to the twoface in batman animated series as well as the comic.

As ive always said, Rachel died, Loeb Died and Harvey got sunburn. Ok i said the mayor would die as well but 3 out of 4 aint bad!!! I Agree with several of the above. HARVEY IS NOT DEAD. They never checked for a pulse. And dont even ask if he’s not dead why did they not bring him back at the very last second for the twist. BECAUSE EVERY ONE KNOWS THAT EVERY SINGLE HORROR MOVIE DOES THIS. Harvey will be in Arkham in the next movie. Battling his demons. But upon his atonement to sanity, the problem will arise that the public believe he is dead. Harvey will be clinically recovered from his wounds and mental issues but we all know this wont be the case for long. I think with Dawes being in pieces as well, this leaves the door open for a new love interest. Who we all know is going to be dont we…… What the Hell i’ll say it. Ms Kyle. Next Movie I say HARVEY and SELINA and possibly HUSH, as a man in bandages and Main threat, copycatting harveys victims, ie leaving a coin at the scene etc. Who hush will be tho is up to Nolan and Co to decide. DDDDDDDDAAAAMMM IM GOOD!!! CAN YOU FEEL IT???? CAN YOU FEEEEEL IT CATAIN COMPOST!!!

The dialogue was expository and unreal. Like the first one.

I don’t have a dislike, just annoyed that a ton of people think that batman chose to
save Harvey and not rachel. Joker gives rachels location as street “x” and harvey’s as
street “y”. Batman leaves without saying a word and gordon orders his cops to get to
street “y” where it is believed harvey is located. The joker knows where each will go
and gives the wrong coordinates because he knows batman will get to them first and if
harvey is saved it will destroy him. Joker plays batmans feelings to break harvey

What is it with you people thinking Two Face is alive???
He is dead!!!!!!!!!
At the end of the film a Harvey Dent is being eulogised etc, and a hundred cops run in on Gordon etc where harvey/two face had fallen.
It would be the stupidest stunt ever to suddenly say that…whoops two face just got up and ran away.

You fan boys make me laugh. Nolan is all about making batman in the real world, which im afraid means when you die, you bloody die.

I’m just glad they casted Haggie, er uh… Maggie Gyllenhal. to play Rachel Dawes in this
movie and not Katie Holmes… It would have been more upsetting if Katie was blown up
because she was at least attractive…. Maggie, not so much…

somebody please explain this “sonar” thing with his eyes (i’m NOT talking about the mechanics of it. that part i understand.) what the hell are they for? did they act as the sonar emitter? or the image constructor?

if it’s the image constructor, then that means he himself could see the people behind floors, walls and ceilings. if this is the case then why did he need fox’s help? i thought fox was supposed to stare at the screens and be batman’s eyes?

if it’s the sonar emitter, then why the F*** would he put it over his eyes and make it glow and blind himself?

also… too much talk about dent and gordon dying or not dying. when they announced gordon dead i just knew he wasn’t and it wasn’t a big deal to me. i didn’t say/think “I KNEW IT!” when they showed him alive again.

i feel the same for dent… whatever… i would neither be surprised nor disappointed if he made an appearance again. just get over it.

Like a lot of other people i thought Heath Ledger did incredible as the Joker.
I went back and saw it again and I noticed a bunch of stuff I didn’t before, like how on the truck Joker and his team were in it said “Laughter” and he put an S in front if it to say “Slaughter”. Oh and I thought the mysterious driver was evil too, I never realized it was Gordon until I read this article. I feel stupid haha.
By the way can anyone tell me what happened in that car ride where Gordon, Reese, and Berg were in the car? Didn’t Berg get shot or something because he had relatives in the hospital? That part confused me.
I thought the whole sonar thing was weird too. I mean the Joker was attacking him and he kept those glasses on and he couldn’t see. I was like just take them off!
Anyways The Dark Knight is definitely my all time favorite movie right now.

When does Batman Lie? If you are referring to the time when he shouts to the commissioner about whom he is saving, then i might have to correct you on that one.

It’s the Joker who lies about the locations. The Joker knows Batman would save Rachel when given the choice. (Knowledge gained from-”I saw how you jumped in to save her”-interrogation cell)
The Joker Knows that his best bet to destroy both Harvey and Batman would be to kill Rachel. Loss Creates Anger and could lead to breakdown of beliefs and hence loss of sanity for both men If Rachel Dies. Batman does not breakdown but Harvey does. So in both these scenarios Joker succeeds only by killing Rachel. And to make sure Rachel dies he fibs to Batman about the Address.

I almost wholly agree with this breakdown of the movie. My only problem with some of the “Didn’t Like” was that it wasn’t really part of the movie, or was talking about that movie in general.

5. The Gordon “Dying” didn’t bother me…only because he came back. Like you, I would have been pissed at the end had he not returned.

4. I know you’re making a point about the length of movies in general and its only a minor nitpick to complain about it being a dislike for this film when the length wasn’t a problem for you. I’m torn on the length thing. I agree that some movies do feel a bit long and could be tighter if they cut out some things; but other movies feel that they could use more and sometimes come off as rushed.

3. They hype really wasn’t so much a problem with the movie as it was with the promoters and fan-base. But I do agree that it was way more than necessary. It didn’t hurt my experience of watching it much; though I do feel that the first viewing satisfied the hype and that the second was more enjoyable. Third wasn’t bad either.

2. Can’t argue with this one.

1. I did think Maggie G. was slightly better. But, the character was bad.