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Ten Epic Superhero Movie Mistakes
Posted by Kevin Carr (kevin@filmschoolrejects.com) on July 16, 2008

The Hollywood studios have been making movies based on comic book superheroes since the Golden Age. For the most part, I’ll give a pass to the old 1940s serials and George Reeves on TV as Superman, considering these were primarily geared toward kids.
Still, it took Hollywood until the 21st century to actually figure out how to make a decent superhero movie. Starting with X-Men in 2000 (and bolstered by Spider-Man in 2002), Hollywood started to get it right. While they don’t make as many of the same mistakes they used to in the dark days of the 70s, 80s and 90s, they will occasionally stumble.
With this summer being a powerhouse season of superhero movies, featuring Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk and The Dark Knight, we thought it would be fun to take a look back at earlier superhero movies and the biggest mistakes that Hollywood kept making over the years.
Flame on!

10. Overblown set design (e.g., Batman & Robin)
It’s one thing to strive to give a unique look to a film, and it’s also acceptable to emulate a comic book quality to the sets. However, when the film becomes more about the background than the characters, it becomes a problem.


9. Overblown special effects (e.g., Spider-Man 3 and Superman Returns)
Sure, digital effects have opened the world of superheroes to the silver screen like never before. They’ve also given filmmakers too much control. If the title character exists more often as a digital effect than an actor in a suit, it just won’t look right.


8. Fake rubber muscles (e.g., all the old Batman films)
I understand that it is more realistic for Batman to have body armor rather than gray spandex, but the bulky rubber suit was too much. And don’t get me started on the nipples!


7. Not-so-secret identities (e.g., Batman and Superman II)
What is the point of a secret identity for Batman if Alfred’s going to escort Vicki Vale into the Batcave? And why does Superman have to lose his powers just to get into Lois Lane’s pants? How can these heroes have secret identities for more than half a century in the comic books, but filmmakers want to blurt it out by the second act of a feature film?


6. Misplaced star power (e.g., Superman III)
Whose brilliant idea was it to wrap a Man of Steel story around Richard Pryor? And why was it necessary to get Marlon Brando to play Jor-El? Isn’t Superman enough of a name to get people’s attention?


5. Idiot directors (e.g., Joel Schumacher)
If Joel Schumacher is going to have a legacy, it will be how he drove the Batman franchise into the ground. Likewise, Tim Burton may have been too trendy to really make a perfect film. At least we’ve kept the films out of the hands of the likes of McG.


4. Unnecessary origin stories (e.g., Ang Lee’s Hulk, Superman and pretty much everything else)
I understand the need for an origin story for a lesser-known hero like the Punisher, or even Iron Man. But seriously, who doesn’t know how Spider-Man, Superman, Batman and the Hulk came about?


3. Penis envy (e.g., Batman Begins and Superman Returns)
I know it’s Hollywood, but bigger isn’t always better. Did Superman Returns deserve its reported $270 million budget to develop? And why did Batman Begins – a well-crafted character study of Bruce Wayne – have to climax with a train exploding in downtown Gotham?


2. Ignoring the comic book mythos (e.g., Catwoman and Batman & Robin)
Sometimes a change can be good when adapting to the big screen. The organic webbing for Spider-Man worked very well, and I’ll even admit that Doctor Doom in the Fantastic Four films was easier to digest than his complex story from the comics. But Catwoman can barely even be considered a comic book movie, and the treatment of Bane in Batman & Robin was a total travesty.


1. Too many villains (e.g., Batman Forever, Batman & Robin and Spider-Man 3)
Why can’t Hollywood understand that too many characters clutter a plot? The Joker was the only villain in Tim Burton’s Batman, but by the time Joel Schumacher got his hands on the franchise, there were too many villains and heroes to fit on the poster. Ditto goes to Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 3, which really should have either been about Venom or the Sandman, but not both.
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22 Comments
July 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Nice work, Kevin. I agree with all 10. The efficient explanation in the opening credits of The Hulk’s origin in this year’s version was a perfect example. (Ang Lee, taking notes?)
And I can’t scream it enough: STOP HAVING MULTIPLE VILLAINS IN A MOVIE! Less is more.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
To #7 …
because he would of killed her with his indestructible, bullet speed load
July 16th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
In regards to #4: They took an origin in Batman Begins that most people weren’t familiar with. It had to be developed with care and took its time, so why wasn’t it necessary? And then you contradict it with “penis envy” by calling it a well-crafted character study. How can an elaborate origin story be both well-crafted and unnecessary. I’m not trying to David Denby you here, Kevin, but can you explain what you mean?
July 16th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
one thing you missed out on (esp regarding the Xmen) was the attention and lack of power given to the female characters. All the females in superhero movies are generally there for T & A or to bring sensitivity to the males, don’t even get me started on the horrendous treatment of Rogue in the X men films.
Storm is one of the most beloved characters in Marvel and she was relegated to secondary status.
Also explain this…… The Punisher, Iron Man, The Hulk, Hellboy, Ghost Rider all were given movies. One of the most iconic heroes of all time WONDER WOMAN still has yet to receive the film treatment?????
SEXISM SEXISM SEXISM
and this is from a dude……………………………
July 16th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Ok, let me see if I understand, or I have to take englsih lessons… #6 is complaining about big name actors in movies?Am I crazy or some of the most acclaimed comic movies have big stars in every role? (like Batman Begins, the Dark Knight, Iron Man).
WTF is wrong with that? How come the big names hurt the movie?
July 16th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
if you wanna talk about not so secret identities, don’t forget two of the worst offenders. Daredevil, where he loses his secret to the big vilalin , in the first movie no less, and Spider man 2 where a whole bunch of (unimportant) people see him without his mask on, not to mention Mary Jane. They didn’t even really play around much with the problems associated with his dating her and being spider man at the same time.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
#6 is complaining about *misplaced* star power. Specifically, giving Richard Prior (a brilliant comedian) a Superman film as a film vehicle. That would be like making Jerry Lewis (in his prime, of course) the Joker in a Batman film, turning the end result into a modern-day Martin/Lewis gag fest (emphasis on “gag”).
Just because a comic book has the word “comic” in it doesn’t mean it’s supposed to be *funny*! A lot of people in the movie business don’t understand that, and the result is trash like the 60’s Batman movie and TV show, Superman 3, and undoubtedly half the titles on Hollywood’s current “to do” list.
Oh, I’d like to add #11 to the list: Hiring the wrong writers (Mario Puzo and Superman-1 comes to mind, as does the yahoo who penned the Xmen-3 travesty).
July 16th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
@ Josh
I did like Batman Begins, but I am just tired of origin stories. What they do with TDK is so much cooler, but there was too much studio meddling I think to give it a big explosion ending. Sure, it was a good story, but why do franchises always have to start at the beginning?…
As for Penis envy… I thought BB had a relatively well crafted story, but it seemed that Nolan was told to have it end with a giant explosion and Jim Gordon driving the Batmobile… where it seemed it would have been better to have a more intimate, intense confrontation.
@ Shane
ditto on Spider-Man 2 and Daredevil
July 16th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Kanon, big names are great if the actor is there for his acting, not for his name.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
“Tim Burton may have been to trendy to really make a perfect film.”
It’s ‘too’ not ‘to’, but nice try slick.
July 16th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Good point Terrence, Hollywood doesn’t know how to deal with lead female characters. The XKCD blag had a nice write up on it:
http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/04/10/two-female-leads/
And I’m still mad they kicked Joss Whedon, the guy who proves time and time again he can write good strong female leads, off of Wonder Woman.
July 17th, 2008 at 2:44 am
Spend less time catering the movies for some strange segment of the market that seems to combine 4 year olds (weird suits) and 12 year olds (effects) while trying to woo the jaded 20+ year olds? (crappy storyline and cheesy moments (Spiderman landing in front of the US flag was cheesy…))
July 17th, 2008 at 3:14 am
Batman & Robin managed to do 40% of these possibly making it the worst movie of all time.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:47 am
“… and you are…”
“I’m Batgirl.”
Thanks, Joel Schumacher. He ruined Batman for us fans way back when.
All the points above are very good points.
I’m still wondering why is it that Pixar’s “The Incredibles” remains one of the best, fun-filled superhero movies ever… (just like “Raiders of the Lost Ark” remains one of the best adventure movies ever).
Have yet to see “The Dark Knight” and have high expectations. “Batman Begins” was better than average, until the scene with the train and the water gizmo. Let’s not forget Batman is a vigilante, so there’s no need for James Bond world domination gizmos.
July 17th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
“I’m Batgirl”
“That’s not very PC. How about BatPerson?”
Can someone put together a list of the 10 worst bits of dialogue from Batman and Robin?
July 17th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
McG to direct Terminator Salvation.
July 17th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
I agree with #’s 9,5, & 2. Your #1 spot bothers me however. Multi-character villain use is appropriate if done correctly, which shows better character development and an overall more intricate story. Backing up your idea based on an aging Batman film is okay, but I think you’re jumping the shark.. Joel knows how bad the film was already.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
@Josh Raddle
I can’t. Because that would require me watching them again. And, frankly I want to have
Batman Begins and Dark Knight and pretend the others don’t exist. I have always loved
Batman’s complexity and the fact that no one could figure that out until a few years ago
astounds me.
Oh! And the original animated series and new animation shorts “Batman: Gotham Knight”
Those are also good portrayals of the detective.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
I disagree with the Marlon Brando choice in #6. Brando was a big name back then, especially in comparison to Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder and even Gene Hackman. I wouldn’t say the star power was misplaced, but the Salkinds paid too high a price for the ten minutes they got out of Brando.
#2 should also have Tank Girl listed. Granted, Tank Girl isn’t a superhero, but the film Tank Girl is almost a pragmatic adaptation of the gun-and-Smiths-loving original. Tank Girl also fits with #4 - in the comic it really isn’t necessary to explain how Tank Girl came to be, since comic Tank Girl wasn’t huge on things like plot and conventional narrative.
July 25th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
The Next Batman villian is Megan Fox http://www.ekhichdi.com/gallery/some-unseen-pics-of-megan-fox
Tina
August 15th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Yup nipple suites can ruin a costume design, and so do over buldging fake muscles. I like some of the backgrounds though. So i dont agree with you there, whats a story without a set, and a proper set at that? and uh….Penis envy????? not sure how you got that conclusion but meh. but alas, BURY THE HULK AND CATWOMAN franchise now while we have a chance. Spiderman let me down so i dumped that series like a bad french fry. I think only Nolan can get the duo villain thing straight. It seems too comical from Burton. nice summery btw
September 24th, 2008 at 2:16 am
you’re right on all of these.
i really love Spider-man, but after Spider-man 3 i would rather pretend like it didnt happen.
i wish that Venom would have been more like he was in the comic book … at least.