Let’s Talk About Two-Face: Spoilers Ahead!

Posted by Brian C. Gibson (brian@filmschoolrejects.com) on July 22, 2008 Share

Harvey Dent holding a coin

**Warning: This Article Contains Major Spoilers**

I’m sure by now that anyone who ventured into this post has seen the biggest movie of 2008, The Dark Knight. Judging by the box office numbers, rabid comments and critical reception that most of you would like to see a third film. Now everyone made the assumption that TDK would be The Joker’s film, and end by introducing a new villain in Aaron Eckhart’s Harvey “Two-Face” Dent. Now you know what happens when we assume…

I am going to make three assumptions. First, I am going to assume that you have seen The Dark Knight. Secondly, I assume that you might have been surprised about the death of Two-Face. Finally, that you are left wondering to yourself who will be the next film’s villain. Some names that have already come up (with some getting squashed early) are The Riddler, The Penguin, Bane, Deadshot, Two-Face and even The Joker once again. So who is it going to be? I think Harvey Dent will show his faces in the next film.

If Harvey “Two-Face” Dent is to be the next villain, that would have to mean he is alive, right? Did they ever say he was dead? Did you see a casket? All the film showed was a motionless body, and what seemed like a memorial service. Remember, Batman and Gordon are ready to lie about Harvey’s actions in order to preserve his reputation, so why wouldn’t they lie about his death? For all we know, Gordon could have transported Harvey to a maximum security cell in Arkham. Maybe Harvey is brooding in his cell right next to his new pal.

If Gordon and Batman were to conceal his death and lock him up in Arkham, that would give Two-Face even more of a reason to hate Gotham and its officials. Talk about ammunition for revenge, the guy would come out swinging. So go see the film again. If I remember correctly, Batman even said something like “Noone can ever see him like this.” Would you say something like that about a dead man? Everyone knows he is disfigured, but not everyone knows about his newly acquired vengeful and murderous personality.

One of the first things that led me to this conclusion is that Christopher Nolan has some director trademarks that point directly in this direction. First, Nolan has an obsession with pairs or the number two. In Memento, Leonard had two people trying to manipulate him throughout the film. In Batman Begins there were a pair of villains, both with dual identities/personas. In The Prestige there were two main characters which were both two men at sometime within the film (Borden as a twin, and Angier as a copy), and had both romanced two different women within the film. In The Dark Knight you see two good characters Batman/Gordon battling Joker/Two-Face, with Two-Face being a man with obviously two faces. Also Nolan has a repeating theme of fake deaths/coming back from death within his film. Ra’s Al Ghul ends up not being dead in Batman Begins. Borden cheats death in The Prestige. Gordon even faked his own death in The Dark Knight. So would it be too far fetched for a man with two faces to cheat death in Nolan’s newest film?

I guess the next question would be is Two-Face’s story arc complete? In other words, what appeal is left in bringing Two-Face back? I don’t doubt that we may see Harvey Dent again, but to what capacity is left to be seen.

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  • Princein
    As much as I'd like to believe Harvey two face is coming back, I know he's dead. I will admit his death scene was rather ambigous but I don't think that was the film makers' intention.

    The culprit? The editing room floor. They had to make a PG-13 movie that was already two and a half hours long. Cuts had to be made.

    They couldn't show Dent's neck breaking in half like a pencil nor could they have all this superflous dialouge "is he dead?" *checks pulse "yeah, he's dead!" So they put their faith in the audience's intelligence.

    I don't blame anyone for coming to this conclusion though. If you watch what happens after he falls Commisioner Gordon and Batman act as though Dent isn't even there, it's very bizzare and very anti climatic.

    Hopefully a Director's cut edition will come out this December showing the scene as the film maker's had intended it.
  • destruct26
    Nolan would have ruined Batman and his no killing rule if Batman, accident or not, pushed him off a freakin roof. Maroni survived a higher fall and still survived it. Nolan always wants you to see things exactly the way he shoots them, like his other movies. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian. Um, didnt Harvey die a hero, as Gordon and Batman covered up his mess, making that speech to the city? Didnt he live long enough to become the villian Two Face? A broken neck doesnt necessarily mean you die. Hurt, in pain, comatose- sure. And whoever made the comment that Ras was ninja-asassin trained AND trained Bruce/Batman- Yes, theres always a possibility he survived. Nothing was ever said in either movie about Ras, further, that they found a body, etc. And if Harvey was dead, it wasnt said by Bats or Gordon in that scene. No pulse check, nothing. Besides- Up until the memoriam/speech, NO ONE knew where Harvey was- the public and cops thought he was originally at the hospital, then inside the other building with the Joker. And when it the hospital incinerated, it could have been said that his ass burned down with it. A perfect cover-up. Alot is and has been left open to Two Face coming back, and it would be cool to flesh him out a bit, with another major villian. And yeah, i think the next logical love interest WOULD be Catwoman, or Talia. Lets give Brucie both of em, because thats a pile of hotness. Talia would be good, taking over the Leauge and screwing Batman royally. Remember JLA: Tower of Babel? She can destroy Gotham with technology that scrambles verbal communication and language neurologically & have the city crash that way, even BETTER than her fathers previous plan. Just an idea. Catwoman- mob boss Carmine Falcones (speculated) daughter, expert thief, straight from the pages of The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and When In Rome. She can be the anti-heroine, steal, AND help Batman take down the rest of the mob, or Talia. okay screw it- BATMAN REALLY NEEDS TO GET LAID.
  • Brandon Butler
    I agree with this notion: in fact the basis of it is the only compelling sequel I can think of.

    The only thing I think I disagree with is the notion that Batman would be "in on" such a thing. I think that ends up firstly putting Batman up as too questionable too early in a sequel, and robs us of an oppertunity to have Batman looking into a conspiracy of what happened to Harvey Dent.

    It would probably be best that in the early next film it is stated that Harvey Dent died in hospital after suffering a fall, and Batman at first has no reason not to believe that this is true. But then a year or so later he comes to question this and finds out there was a conspiracy between the Mayor, a Governor, and even Gordon and some cops were in on it all. Knowing how Batman idolizes Dent he would disapprove, and of course Gordon would say that this was just the logical end of everything they had agreed to do concerning Harvey.

    Harvey, meanwhile, has other plans.
  • Gramscist
    I was amazed by how in-depth the discussions in here are. Inasmuch as I simply began immersing myself in the world of Batman after watching "The Dark Knight," I wonder if you would indulge me if I wold propose a somewhat prototype plot line for the next film, which would tie up the villains in the past two films:

    Let us presume that Ra's al Ghul (Liam Neeson), being the master ninja that he is, was still able to escape the crashing train, albeit highly injured. This is where the Lazarus Pit would enter. Then, having recovered, he now tracks on Batman, planning to take his revenge again or trying to convince him once more to rejoin the League of Shadows. Well for some weird reason concocted by my brain, he was passing by and saw Rachel Dawes tied up just before the explosion, then he rescues her to no one's knowledge. Or, she could have been in the explosion but for some weird reason again, survived yet highly injured and with amnesia. Either way, he might take care of her until she recovers, still not remembering who she really is. Ra's, having said his family was already gone in "Batman Begins", might take her in as her daughter and train her himself, transforming her into what would be Talia al Ghul. And then when he confronts Batman again, he'll be pitting her on him. And moral / romantic dillemma occurring, now how would it end I don't know.

    Or if she did survive without Ra's interfering, she still has amnesia and then adopted by a family (namely the Kyle family) to live as a street urchin, or a prostitute if you would. With that background, she'll become Catwoman. Now as to who will be casted for that role I'll leave it to them, but she has to be at least of the same ability as Pfeiffer's, maybe even superior.

    Well, I don't really know if that made sense, but what do you think?
  • Jimbob
    After seeing TDK, I wasn't sure if Harvey was dead or not, so maybe he's still alive, but I think if they make another Batman movie, they definitely need one more villain, and a villain that would make the movie as powerful as TDK, plus Christopher Nolan said that he wants the movie to still be realistic, so no villains with powers

    Because of how insane TDK was, i hope there isn't a third movie, it would be impossible or really hard to make a batman movie better than TDK. The sequel was so good that it could have been the third movie of a trilogy, what would be cool is if they made TDK even longer and just split it in half, like Kill Bill

    Good observations on Christopher Nolan's work, I never noticed his tradmarks
  • B Dogg
    Killer Croc is a possibility if he was just some strong man, surgically altered like this guy:
    http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategori...
    If that guy's for real, they could make Killer Croc a possibility. Croc's character could be a pro fighter, that's his gimmick.
  • Heath
    I think Poison Ivy or Deadshot would be perfect for Nolans directing style.
  • Jack Sutt
    I Believe Two Face, Joker and Scarecrow may be in the next film. If Two Face is still alive
    and Joker and Scarecrow have been caught by the police I think the next film will centre
    around Arkham Asylum. How cool would that be! Obviously Scarecrow would take a back
    seat in the film and Joker would have to be recast. So the real question is who will be the
    new villain to spring the previous villains out of the Asylum? I know that is a lot of villains
    but i think Nolan could handle it and that could make for yet another highly anticipated
    film.
  • B Dogg
    Harvey Dent is dead. Two Face will live on.
    That is why they held the memorial. It was simbolic because they knew Harvey was now another person. Two Face should definitely be in Arkham. He doesn't necessarily need to be a simplified character after only revenge in the next film. He could also start to crave power. We know he's got some dough from Wayne's fund raiser, and perhaps he hires an army of thugs to help him take revenge on basically everyone (Batman, the cops, the crime families) and becames greedy and power hunger. We already know he is corruptible. Perhaps he becomes more corrupt with help of next introduced villian (Penguin, Riddler?) I don't think the arc is complete, and there is still development for his character. Also, if he escapes Arkham and ends up taking revenge on the city, they could clear Batman's name.
  • Adam Sweeney
    Didn't Gary Oldman give a hint in an interview that they're using the Riddler for the next film?
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