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	<title>Comments on: Fumbling Politics and Re-Writing Recent History in &#8216;The Green Zone&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the recent &quot;political thrillers&quot; have been unabashedly ham fisted in their Bush Bashing.  The Hurt Locker neither supported or opposed the U.S. position in Iraq, it just highlighted the drama and intensity of a few specific soldiers experiences. That is why it was such a great film, because it was about people, and not politics. Now on to Greenzone; No one on this board knows for a fact that Saddam Hussien&#039;s regime did not own any WMDs, though it is a historical fact that he mass murdered many opposing factions, such as the Kurdish people with chemical weapons in the Al-Anfal campaign. That is where Hussien&#039;s cousin became known as &quot;Chemical Ali&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the recent &#8220;political thrillers&#8221; have been unabashedly ham fisted in their Bush Bashing.  The Hurt Locker neither supported or opposed the U.S. position in Iraq, it just highlighted the drama and intensity of a few specific soldiers experiences. That is why it was such a great film, because it was about people, and not politics. Now on to Greenzone; No one on this board knows for a fact that Saddam Hussien&#39;s regime did not own any WMDs, though it is a historical fact that he mass murdered many opposing factions, such as the Kurdish people with chemical weapons in the Al-Anfal campaign. That is where Hussien&#39;s cousin became known as &#8220;Chemical Ali&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That information was available- google it. Don&#039;t trust the UN? Ritter was right. Saddam butchered his people? Unfortunately, so do a lot of dictators. Should we waste lives and trillions fighting them all? North Korea taunted us with WMD during the lead up to the war, but we did nothing to them. Your head is buried in the sand. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That information was available- google it. Don&#8217;t trust the UN? Ritter was right. Saddam butchered his people? Unfortunately, so do a lot of dictators. Should we waste lives and trillions fighting them all? North Korea taunted us with WMD during the lead up to the war, but we did nothing to them. Your head is buried in the sand.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BS.

You did not have that information at that time and no one in the intellignece community was running around telling people everything they knew.  Also relying on the UN for anything shows how faulty your info is, the UN can&#039;t even police thier own people let alone rogue dictators, which is what Saddam was.  People sem to forget that he was butchering several thousand people each year, but I guess that doesn&#039;t matter to the world it seems.</description>
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<p>You did not have that information at that time and no one in the intellignece community was running around telling people everything they knew.  Also relying on the UN for anything shows how faulty your info is, the UN can&#8217;t even police thier own people let alone rogue dictators, which is what Saddam was.  People sem to forget that he was butchering several thousand people each year, but I guess that doesn&#8217;t matter to the world it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Zig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree on a good number of comments posted here. As interesting as this article might be on film theory, this hardly constitutes a good review.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I did feel that the movie was incredibly didactic. But then, very few movies are accountable for making a hard stand on armed conflict (most especially on-going ones). So I had to take Greengrass&#039;s attempt at making a statement for what it was: a statement.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I don&#039;t think a review  should dock points on a film based on its socio-political views (as preachy as they may be) alone. I thought the film was horrible. I thought the characters were thin and functional, unmotivated and uninteresting. The action scenes, though great set pieces didn&#039;t provide any strong tension. Being a non-American, I didn&#039;t feel any personal attachment to the conflict, and could give less of a shit if Damon made it home or not. Not because the conflict was American, but because the characters were unrelatable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great article, but a lacking review I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree on a good number of comments posted here. As interesting as this article might be on film theory, this hardly constitutes a good review.</p>
<p>I did feel that the movie was incredibly didactic. But then, very few movies are accountable for making a hard stand on armed conflict (most especially on-going ones). So I had to take Greengrass&#39;s attempt at making a statement for what it was: a statement.</p>
<p>But I don&#39;t think a review  should dock points on a film based on its socio-political views (as preachy as they may be) alone. I thought the film was horrible. I thought the characters were thin and functional, unmotivated and uninteresting. The action scenes, though great set pieces didn&#39;t provide any strong tension. Being a non-American, I didn&#39;t feel any personal attachment to the conflict, and could give less of a shit if Damon made it home or not. Not because the conflict was American, but because the characters were unrelatable.</p>
<p>Great article, but a lacking review I think.</p>
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		<title>By: helveticaconspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>helveticaconspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off the top of my head, UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter and CIA officer Tyler Drumheller. Maybe if you, and others, had paid attention during the lead up to the war, instead of blindly watching ABC News, the general public wouldn&#039;t have been so misinformed. Oh well, hindsight right? If I had known you back then I&#039;d have chewed your ear off about how wrong the White House&#039;s case for war was. Contrary to the bubble you live in, a lot of people DID know in 2003 that WMD&#039;s were BS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off the top of my head, UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter and CIA officer Tyler Drumheller. Maybe if you, and others, had paid attention during the lead up to the war, instead of blindly watching ABC News, the general public wouldn&#39;t have been so misinformed. Oh well, hindsight right? If I had known you back then I&#39;d have chewed your ear off about how wrong the White House&#39;s case for war was. Contrary to the bubble you live in, a lot of people DID know in 2003 that WMD&#39;s were BS&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aleric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What fantasy movie were you watching when you claimed to see these &quot;top intellegence officers&quot; on a public network giving out state secrets? I think you were confused by people who were politicians trying to give their &quot;views&quot; on what they thought. Also let me state that hind sight is always 20/20 and NO ONE knew what was really happening at that time and if they say they did then you are a fool to believe them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What fantasy movie were you watching when you claimed to see these &#8220;top intellegence officers&#8221; on a public network giving out state secrets? I think you were confused by people who were politicians trying to give their &#8220;views&#8221; on what they thought. Also let me state that hind sight is always 20/20 and NO ONE knew what was really happening at that time and if they say they did then you are a fool to believe them.</p>
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		<title>By: Aleric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aleric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is up with the reply button?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And let&#039;s not forget Joe Wilson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And let&#8217;s not forget Joe Wilson.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to support Dr Abaius here and state that this film is utter trash.  It was an experiment to try and trick people into seeing a movie bent on rewritting current and ongoing history.  They tried to use Matt Damon and his success with the Bourne films to fool people into believing that this was going to be an insightful look into the current conflict.  But like most of the recent anti war movies before it todays audiance is too well informed to fall for such a crude and ham fisted approach to Bush Bashing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to support Dr Abaius here and state that this film is utter trash.  It was an experiment to try and trick people into seeing a movie bent on rewritting current and ongoing history.  They tried to use Matt Damon and his success with the Bourne films to fool people into believing that this was going to be an insightful look into the current conflict.  But like most of the recent anti war movies before it todays audiance is too well informed to fall for such a crude and ham fisted approach to Bush Bashing.</p>
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		<title>By: paul_young</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul_young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I hear is &quot;Blah, blah, blah I like to write other people&#039;s sound bites from 5 years ago.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I hear is &#8220;Blah, blah, blah I like to write other people&#39;s sound bites from 5 years ago.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reebee7, you claim (as did Bush) that the intelligence organizations of France, Russia, &quot;of most anyone, thought that Iraq had WMDs.&quot;  How do you know that?  How could the Bush administration know that?  Did the Russian, French, German, Chinese, Syrian, Pakistani, Mexican, Chilean, Angolan, Cuban and other intelligence agencies open their files and their countries&#039; diplomatic correspondence to perusal by Washington, or by you?  Really?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, there is absolutely no evidence to confirm your claim, nor can there be until secret intelligence files are opened, since intelligence organizations are highly secretive and disinclined to tell the truth when they do say anything publicly. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the contrary, there is enormous evidence to contradict the Bush administration&#039;s assertion.  If it were true, how on earth was it that only 4 of the 15 members of the UN Security Council could be bullied by the Bush administration into voting for the war, even after Secretary of State Powell&#039;s lies, which those countries publicly disputed, and that this dissident community included France, Russia, and &quot;most anyone&quot; else, including Germany, Chile and Mexico?  All did this in the face of ferocious bullying from Bush -- Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien went to Mexico to express strong public support for Mexico&#039;s opposition to Washington, something he himself said he only dared do since he was already planning to leave office.  The US was forced to withdraw the resolution, given that Bush could only line up the governments of Britain, Spain, and Bulgaria -- in all three cases in the face of overwhelming opposition from their populations.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Furthermore, there was strong opposition inside even the US intelligence establishment from people like Scott Ritter, who was consequently targeted by the Bush administration, accused  by Paula Zahn on television of &quot;drinking Saddam Hussein&#039;s kool-aid,&quot; accused of assorted sex crimes and anything else they could think of, as a lesson to others, and then eliminated from the permitted public debate.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, the recent hearings in Britain reveal what everyone supposed (and many knew) at the time, which was that Britain did not take Bush&#039;s allegations seriously but went along to maintain their pathetic &quot;special relationship&quot; as they have been doing since Suez in 1956. The hearings have further revealed how much the claims were falsified (&quot;sexed up&quot; was the term at the time).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Face it, this whole thing was a pack of lies motivated by their desire for what they have now grabbed, Iraq&#039;s oil.  Mission accomplished.  Not that the American or British people benefit from control of Iraqi oil by Exxon and BP, which have long shown that they have no duty to the people of the countries where their corporations are &quot;domiciled.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reebee7, you claim (as did Bush) that the intelligence organizations of France, Russia, &#8220;of most anyone, thought that Iraq had WMDs.&#8221;  How do you know that?  How could the Bush administration know that?  Did the Russian, French, German, Chinese, Syrian, Pakistani, Mexican, Chilean, Angolan, Cuban and other intelligence agencies open their files and their countries&#39; diplomatic correspondence to perusal by Washington, or by you?  Really?</p>
<p>In fact, there is absolutely no evidence to confirm your claim, nor can there be until secret intelligence files are opened, since intelligence organizations are highly secretive and disinclined to tell the truth when they do say anything publicly. </p>
<p>On the contrary, there is enormous evidence to contradict the Bush administration&#39;s assertion.  If it were true, how on earth was it that only 4 of the 15 members of the UN Security Council could be bullied by the Bush administration into voting for the war, even after Secretary of State Powell&#39;s lies, which those countries publicly disputed, and that this dissident community included France, Russia, and &#8220;most anyone&#8221; else, including Germany, Chile and Mexico?  All did this in the face of ferocious bullying from Bush &#8212; Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien went to Mexico to express strong public support for Mexico&#39;s opposition to Washington, something he himself said he only dared do since he was already planning to leave office.  The US was forced to withdraw the resolution, given that Bush could only line up the governments of Britain, Spain, and Bulgaria &#8212; in all three cases in the face of overwhelming opposition from their populations.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, there was strong opposition inside even the US intelligence establishment from people like Scott Ritter, who was consequently targeted by the Bush administration, accused  by Paula Zahn on television of &#8220;drinking Saddam Hussein&#39;s kool-aid,&#8221; accused of assorted sex crimes and anything else they could think of, as a lesson to others, and then eliminated from the permitted public debate.  </p>
<p>Finally, the recent hearings in Britain reveal what everyone supposed (and many knew) at the time, which was that Britain did not take Bush&#39;s allegations seriously but went along to maintain their pathetic &#8220;special relationship&#8221; as they have been doing since Suez in 1956. The hearings have further revealed how much the claims were falsified (&#8220;sexed up&#8221; was the term at the time).</p>
<p>Face it, this whole thing was a pack of lies motivated by their desire for what they have now grabbed, Iraq&#39;s oil.  Mission accomplished.  Not that the American or British people benefit from control of Iraqi oil by Exxon and BP, which have long shown that they have no duty to the people of the countries where their corporations are &#8220;domiciled.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: helveticaconspiracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>helveticaconspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 22:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You beat me to it. I was gonna mention how in the lead up to the war there were top intelligence officers going on NPR daily saying the case for WMDs in Iraq was a house of cards. And, I&#039;m glad you pointed out that this &#039;reviewer&#039; gives absolutely no specific examples as to what the &#039;fumbling politics&#039; of this movie are. Instead, he goes into detail on how The Patriot was more realistic. They lost me right there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You beat me to it. I was gonna mention how in the lead up to the war there were top intelligence officers going on NPR daily saying the case for WMDs in Iraq was a house of cards. And, I&#39;m glad you pointed out that this &#39;reviewer&#39; gives absolutely no specific examples as to what the &#39;fumbling politics&#39; of this movie are. Instead, he goes into detail on how The Patriot was more realistic. They lost me right there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cole_Abaius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole_Abaius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. I think without the line, the message is there. That&#039;s really the sticking point - sharper writing. The movie is stronger without it, and the message would definitely not have been missed. It&#039;s all over the rest of the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. I think without the line, the message is there. That&#39;s really the sticking point &#8211; sharper writing. The movie is stronger without it, and the message would definitely not have been missed. It&#39;s all over the rest of the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally disagree with Dr. Abiaus. The director makes an important point in the script that would have otherwise been entirely missed. The lines that (paraphrased): &quot;it&#039;s important because the next time the US needs trust of another country, it won&#039;t be there,&quot; is critical for Americans (and the Brits) to understand. It&#039;s about integrity and truth. Since our Congress can not be depended on to do the right thing (financial reform being another obvious example) the public must understand how trumping up lies can destroy what this country is all about. A similar movie should be made about Wall Street dressing up sub-prime loans as AAA rated securities, securitizing them, and selling them to pension plans and sovereign goverments around the world. Goldman Sachs, recently it has become known, did the same thing with Greece, manufacturing the image of something that wasn&#039;t to deceive the EU about its financial condition. Has deceit become a US cultural trait? Is it any wonder fundamentalist religious groups eschew American values and see us as the Great Satan? Of course these are the radicals we read mostly about, but there are also the principaled as well who don&#039;t want to emulate our double-standard and dishonesty. American got so far off track with the George W Bush Administration&#039;s preemptive war policy enough can not be said or shown to delore it. America needs to think about this powerful and cogent script. Indeed on the contrary to  omit it is to miss the point!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree with Dr. Abiaus. The director makes an important point in the script that would have otherwise been entirely missed. The lines that (paraphrased): &#8220;it&#39;s important because the next time the US needs trust of another country, it won&#39;t be there,&#8221; is critical for Americans (and the Brits) to understand. It&#39;s about integrity and truth. Since our Congress can not be depended on to do the right thing (financial reform being another obvious example) the public must understand how trumping up lies can destroy what this country is all about. A similar movie should be made about Wall Street dressing up sub-prime loans as AAA rated securities, securitizing them, and selling them to pension plans and sovereign goverments around the world. Goldman Sachs, recently it has become known, did the same thing with Greece, manufacturing the image of something that wasn&#39;t to deceive the EU about its financial condition. Has deceit become a US cultural trait? Is it any wonder fundamentalist religious groups eschew American values and see us as the Great Satan? Of course these are the radicals we read mostly about, but there are also the principaled as well who don&#39;t want to emulate our double-standard and dishonesty. American got so far off track with the George W Bush Administration&#39;s preemptive war policy enough can not be said or shown to delore it. America needs to think about this powerful and cogent script. Indeed on the contrary to  omit it is to miss the point!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reebee7, you claim (as did Bush) that the intelligence organizations of France, Russia, &quot;of most anyone, thought that Iraq had WMDs.&quot;  How do you know that?  How could the Bush administration know that?  Did the Russian, French, German, Chinese, Syrian, Pakistani, Mexican, Chilean, Angolan, Cuban and other intelligence agencies open their files and their countries&#039; diplomatic correspondence to perusal by Washington, or by you?  Really?

In fact, there is absolutely no evidence to confirm your claim, nor can there be until secret intelligence files are opened, since intelligence organizations are highly secretive and disinclined to tell the truth when they do say anything publicly. 

There is, on the contrary, enormous evidence to contradict the Bush administration&#039;s assertion.  If it were true, how on earth was it that only 4 of the 15 members of the UN Security Council could be bullied by the Bush administration into voting for the war, even after Secretary of State Powell&#039;s lies, which those countries publicly disputed, and that this dissident community included France, Russia, and &quot;most anyone&quot; else, including Germany, Chile and Mexico?  All did this in the face of ferocious bullying from Bush -- Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien went to Mexico to express strong public support for Mexico&#039;s opposition to Washington, something he himself said he only dared do since he was already planning to leave office.  The US was forced to withdraw the resolution, given that Bush could only line up the governments of Britain, Spain, and Bulgaria -- in all three cases in the face of overwhelming opposition from their populations.  

Furthermore, there was strong opposition inside even the US intelligence establishment from people like Scott Ritter, who was consequently targeted by the Bush administration, accused  by Paula Zahn on television of &quot;drinking Saddam Hussein&#039;s kool-aid,&quot; accused of assorted sex crimes and anything else they could think of, as a lesson to others, and then eliminated from the permitted public debate.  

Finally, the recent hearings in Britain reveal what everyone supposed (and many knew) at the time, which was that Britain did not take Bush&#039;s allegations seriously but went along to maintain their pathetic &quot;special relationship&quot; as they have been doing since Suez in 1956. The hearings have further revealed how much the claims were falsified (&quot;sexed up&quot; was the term at the time).

Face it, this whole thing was a pack of lies motivated by their desire for what they have now grabbed, Iraq&#039;s oil.  Mission accomplished.  Not that the American or British people benefit from control of Iraqi oil by Exxon and BP, which have long shown that they have no duty to the people of the countries where their corporations are &quot;domiciled.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reebee7, you claim (as did Bush) that the intelligence organizations of France, Russia, &#8220;of most anyone, thought that Iraq had WMDs.&#8221;  How do you know that?  How could the Bush administration know that?  Did the Russian, French, German, Chinese, Syrian, Pakistani, Mexican, Chilean, Angolan, Cuban and other intelligence agencies open their files and their countries&#8217; diplomatic correspondence to perusal by Washington, or by you?  Really?</p>
<p>In fact, there is absolutely no evidence to confirm your claim, nor can there be until secret intelligence files are opened, since intelligence organizations are highly secretive and disinclined to tell the truth when they do say anything publicly. </p>
<p>There is, on the contrary, enormous evidence to contradict the Bush administration&#8217;s assertion.  If it were true, how on earth was it that only 4 of the 15 members of the UN Security Council could be bullied by the Bush administration into voting for the war, even after Secretary of State Powell&#8217;s lies, which those countries publicly disputed, and that this dissident community included France, Russia, and &#8220;most anyone&#8221; else, including Germany, Chile and Mexico?  All did this in the face of ferocious bullying from Bush &#8212; Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien went to Mexico to express strong public support for Mexico&#8217;s opposition to Washington, something he himself said he only dared do since he was already planning to leave office.  The US was forced to withdraw the resolution, given that Bush could only line up the governments of Britain, Spain, and Bulgaria &#8212; in all three cases in the face of overwhelming opposition from their populations.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, there was strong opposition inside even the US intelligence establishment from people like Scott Ritter, who was consequently targeted by the Bush administration, accused  by Paula Zahn on television of &#8220;drinking Saddam Hussein&#8217;s kool-aid,&#8221; accused of assorted sex crimes and anything else they could think of, as a lesson to others, and then eliminated from the permitted public debate.  </p>
<p>Finally, the recent hearings in Britain reveal what everyone supposed (and many knew) at the time, which was that Britain did not take Bush&#8217;s allegations seriously but went along to maintain their pathetic &#8220;special relationship&#8221; as they have been doing since Suez in 1956. The hearings have further revealed how much the claims were falsified (&#8220;sexed up&#8221; was the term at the time).</p>
<p>Face it, this whole thing was a pack of lies motivated by their desire for what they have now grabbed, Iraq&#8217;s oil.  Mission accomplished.  Not that the American or British people benefit from control of Iraqi oil by Exxon and BP, which have long shown that they have no duty to the people of the countries where their corporations are &#8220;domiciled.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Reebee7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reebee7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really a great article, Dr. Abaius.</description>
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		<title>By: Reebee7</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reebee7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re letting information we&#039;ve received since then bias your view of the past.  The intelligence community, of the U.S., of France, of Great Britain, of Russia, of most anyone, thought that Iraq had WMDs.  There were suspicions whether:&lt;br&gt;1. Iraq had any ties to Al Qaeda. &lt;br&gt;2. The U.S. had the right to rashly enter a war with a &#039;we have to strike first&#039; policy.&lt;br&gt;3. A more diplomatic solution to the problem could not be found. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But WMDs seemed more than likely, by our calculations and by the countries who asked us to not enter a war in haste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#39;re letting information we&#39;ve received since then bias your view of the past.  The intelligence community, of the U.S., of France, of Great Britain, of Russia, of most anyone, thought that Iraq had WMDs.  There were suspicions whether:<br />1. Iraq had any ties to Al Qaeda. <br />2. The U.S. had the right to rashly enter a war with a &#39;we have to strike first&#39; policy.<br />3. A more diplomatic solution to the problem could not be found. </p>
<p>But WMDs seemed more than likely, by our calculations and by the countries who asked us to not enter a war in haste.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Bleu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Bleu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I haven&#039;t seen the movie so I don&#039;t know how history was distorted since you don&#039;t give any concrete examples here.  I completely reject your assertion that action movies shouldn&#039;t be political.  If anything, they should have a responsibility to be so.  I always get annoyed by the revisionism of the whole thing, this idea that everyone believed in this intelligence.  As a casual listener of NPR, during my commute to school every morning, I had enough information to know it was trumped up.  It&#039;s inane how gullible people were when the people pushing that crap were such bad liars.  Also, maybe take a look at some of the C-Span videos of Nancy Pelosi giving her best Cassandra complex routine on the floor of the House.  Of course, not having seen the movie I don&#039;t know exactly what you&#039;re talking about and can only say that based on what&#039;s here I&#039;m very unconvinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I haven&#39;t seen the movie so I don&#39;t know how history was distorted since you don&#39;t give any concrete examples here.  I completely reject your assertion that action movies shouldn&#39;t be political.  If anything, they should have a responsibility to be so.  I always get annoyed by the revisionism of the whole thing, this idea that everyone believed in this intelligence.  As a casual listener of NPR, during my commute to school every morning, I had enough information to know it was trumped up.  It&#39;s inane how gullible people were when the people pushing that crap were such bad liars.  Also, maybe take a look at some of the C-Span videos of Nancy Pelosi giving her best Cassandra complex routine on the floor of the House.  Of course, not having seen the movie I don&#39;t know exactly what you&#39;re talking about and can only say that based on what&#39;s here I&#39;m very unconvinced.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>Strangely, it feels like you assume I was pro-Iraq war. And I&#039;m not sure what you mean by patriotic. 

And, I&#039;m being honest, I think that both sides of the fence on the issue can groan at poorly shoehorned lines. What I&#039;m more interested in is the emerging new genre here and the pitfalls that exist. I think we can both agree that in fictionalizing current events, the filmmakers have to deal with baggage that wouldn&#039;t ordinarily be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strangely, it feels like you assume I was pro-Iraq war. And I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by patriotic. </p>
<p>And, I&#8217;m being honest, I think that both sides of the fence on the issue can groan at poorly shoehorned lines. What I&#8217;m more interested in is the emerging new genre here and the pitfalls that exist. I think we can both agree that in fictionalizing current events, the filmmakers have to deal with baggage that wouldn&#8217;t ordinarily be there.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 12:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be honest, your problem is the politics of the film as evidenced by the fact that nearly every paragraph of this article mentions it. All of the anti-American claims about this movie are the polar opposite of why The Hurt Locker was praised by so many critics. It&#039;s less about the films merits and more about how it fares on the patriotism meter, the very reason why you thought to reference The Patriot in your opening line. Unsurprisingly, you reviewed The Hurt Locker as the best film of the year, citing that one of the best things about it was that it delved into the war without getting political. Trust me, you don&#039;t need to give your specific opinion on the war, it&#039;s already very obvious in your reviews. But don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m certainly not criticizing your views on the war, something I don&#039;t give a frak about (regardless of which side of the fence you&#039;re on) and something I think you&#039;re quite entitled to express how you see fit. I&#039;m merely expressing my own defense to the film makers of this film, especially the writer, who you have given harsh words to but a harshness that appears less justified in context with how your patriotic sensibilities seem to have influenced it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All of that said, this is your review, you can only write it as you see it, and it is very well written as Taylor F said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be honest, your problem is the politics of the film as evidenced by the fact that nearly every paragraph of this article mentions it. All of the anti-American claims about this movie are the polar opposite of why The Hurt Locker was praised by so many critics. It&#39;s less about the films merits and more about how it fares on the patriotism meter, the very reason why you thought to reference The Patriot in your opening line. Unsurprisingly, you reviewed The Hurt Locker as the best film of the year, citing that one of the best things about it was that it delved into the war without getting political. Trust me, you don&#39;t need to give your specific opinion on the war, it&#39;s already very obvious in your reviews. But don&#39;t get me wrong, I&#39;m certainly not criticizing your views on the war, something I don&#39;t give a frak about (regardless of which side of the fence you&#39;re on) and something I think you&#39;re quite entitled to express how you see fit. I&#39;m merely expressing my own defense to the film makers of this film, especially the writer, who you have given harsh words to but a harshness that appears less justified in context with how your patriotic sensibilities seem to have influenced it. </p>
<p>All of that said, this is your review, you can only write it as you see it, and it is very well written as Taylor F said.</p>
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