Is There An Upside to Piracy?

Posted by Neil Miller (neil@filmschoolrejects.com) on November 12, 2009

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There has been a lot of chatter on the ole’ interwebs about piracy lately. Come to think of it, there is always a lot of chatter on the internet about movie piracy. This is where it happens, where it is championed, where it is railed against and where its most common victims desire to make their money. Hollywood wants to find a way to make money online, and many users want to find away around paying for the movies they want to see.

dvd-inkAnd so it is, a tale of two viewpoints. First is an interesting story that has caused a bit of an ethical dilemma here at Reject HQ. Earlier in the week, our friends at Double Edge Films — friends enough to put a quote from Dr. Cole Abaius’ review of their film Ink on the DVD cover — were all over the place talking about piracy, and how it has affected their film. This week, Ink was pirated and quickly rose to become the #1 download on popular Bit-Torrent sites such as The Pirate Bay. This also catapulted Ink into the top 20 films on IMDb’s Moviemeter, for the first time giving this brilliant little film the attention it so desperately deserves.

We were brought into the mix when the folks at Double Edge Films sent us a message on Twitter (@DoubleEdgeFilms) asking us to cover their story. So I considered it. In long-form, they sent the following to their mailing list:

Dear Fans and Friends,

Over the weekend something pretty extraordinary happened. Ink got ripped off. Someone bit torrented the movie (we knew this would happen) and they posted it on every pirate site out there. What we didn’t expect was that within 24 hours Ink would blow up. Ink became the number 1 most downloaded movie on several sites having been downloaded somewhere between 150,000 to 200,000 times as far as we can tell. Knowing there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it, we’ve embraced the piracy and are just happy Ink is getting unprecedented exposure.

As a result, Ink is now ranked #16 on IMDb’s movie meter and is currently one of the top 20 most popular movies in the world.

This all started as a result of the completely underground buzz that you’ve each helped us create. We’ve had no distributor, no real advertising and yet the word of mouth that you’ve generated has made the film blow up as soon as it became available worldwide. So many of you came to see the movie multiple times, bringing friends and family and many of you have bought the DVD and Blu-ray from us. All of this built up and built up and suddenly it exploded.

We don’t know exactly where this will all lead, but the exposure is unquestionably a positive thing.

Ink hits Netflix, Blockbuster, iTunes and many more tomorrow! Remember to get your signed copies, t-shirts and posters at the Ink Store.

Thank you so much for the constant love and support.

Jamin and Kiowa
Double Edge Films

Since this was sent out, reports have been flooding in about Ink, saying that it has been downloaded over 400,000 times since it was pirated earlier this week. What our friends Jamin and Kiowa have gained is exposure, exposure that will hopefully propel the proper release of Ink on Netflix, iTunes and in stores.

I was personally hesitant to report such a story though, as I’m not one to champion piracy as a winning strategy. Sure, every once in a while something like this happens and there’s an implied benefit. But on the whole, piracy is, and never will be beneficial to the filmmaking profession. So I’m not ready to throw in the towel and say that piracy is going to make Ink a surprise success. The fact that Ink is a quality film will determine its success. This is an inadvertent publicity stunt.

hollywood-piratebayThen there is the potential negative side of the situation, of which we hear so much about. The MPAA will never hesitate to remind us of the millions of dollars that piracy costs the studio system every year, and the effects these losses have on the viewing public. A study conducted in 2006 (as reported by The Washington Post) said that the effect piracy has on the U.S. economy could be as big as $20 billion dollars, crossing over into other sectors beyond entertainment. That was 2006. Imagine what it must be now, as the economy dips, unemployment rises and more and more folks at home sign on to Torrent sites and download movies.

Beyond that, there is fear. Fear that studios have over how much money they stand to lose if their systems are breached and their movies make it out into the wild. As an example, check out the comment made today via Twitter by Zombieland screenwriter Rhett Reese (@RhettReese) on the impact of piracy:

Zombieland currently the most pirated movie on bit torrent. Over one million downloads and counting… Beyond depressing. This greatly affects the likelihood of a Zombieland 2.

This is someone within the industry who is showing fear of piracy, and how it may affect his ability to make a sequel for a successful, fan favorite film. Whether or not his statement is completely true — as we’ve never been shown evidence that piracy impacts studio decisions on sequels — it is indicative of the mindset around piracy within the industry. And if the trend continues, it isn’t all that insane to think that it could have such an effect.

Don’t get me wrong, I know just as well as any of you that piracy is out there, that it cannot be stopped outright and that just about anyone who has grown up in the internet generation has download something illegal, be it software, music or movies. My stance is simply that I support purchasing movies. And at no point would I go so far as to say that piracy is a viable marketing tool — no matter how inadvertently it changes the fortune of a small movie like Ink.

These little “victories” for piracy shouldn’t be celebrated, because who knows if they really are victories. How many people will really go out and buy Ink after they’ve already downloaded it for free? You tell me…


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  • I agree...in a sense. I think for indie movies it's a boon, but overall for the industry it's a leech. Also, I really hate those who champion piracy as some sort of attack against the RIAA and whatever. No it's not, you just don't want to buy a movie. I'm not saying I'm infallible from this (i've watched a couple of pirated movies via streaming) but you really have to realize how this can hurt the industry as a whole, especially if it's a movie in theaters.
  • Matt
    There has always been this upside to piracy, and it's sad that you and others continue to fail to see it, even when you SEE it. I downloaded Ink on a whim because it looked interesting. I wouldn't have bought or rented a DVD that I had never heard of an looked like it went straight to DVD otherwise. But thanks to it being posted, for free, online, I watched it, and enjoyed it. Do you know what I did today, two days after I first saw it? I logged onto the Ink website and I purchased the DVD. I also saw a very nice little donation link for people who weren't interested in buying the DVD but wanted to donate (what they could, not a specified amount) if they had watched it online. Smart move. This isn't a "leech" this is using the internet to its fullest potential. Sadly you and much of the movie industry is failing to see this potential and are instead focused, even when releasing online, on "old media" standards of distribution. It's time to get off the 'piracy is evil" bandwagon and look at these things, these true benefits. The film industry has had a record year, don't tell me they're "hurting" from piracy.
  • Piracy is, rarely, a benefit. Years ago I downloaded The Man From Earth, watched it, loved it, tried to find out more about it and came across the official website. On it was a Please Donate button, so I gladly tipped the filmmakers $30, double what I'm typically willing to pay to buy a movie. Then when it finally came out on DVD, I bought it, reviewed it, and recommended it to everyone I know. Every single person I've shown it to or recommended it to have been equally blown away by it, most going on to recreate the cycle with someone else who hasn't seen it.

    It was a wildly successful benefit of watching a pirated movie. That is the only time such has ever happened.
  • snevets
    One thing that every person taking an anti-piracy stance always overlooks is the fact that most of the people that download a movie, album, or software wouldn't have bought the thing in the first place. So that $20 billion that is always tossed around in the debate is most certainly inflated far beyond the people that actually downloaded something they would have bought instead. That's not to say that piracy should run rampant; I personally will buy and album or movie if I truly think the artist deserves compensation. As someone that has tried both methods for some truly terrible movies I have had less bad things to say about the director/studio/actors when the movie was free; if I paid for something I really didn't like I (and probably most people out there) feel that WE have been stolen from. Possibly the best way to fight piracy would be to up the standards so that downloaders start feeling guilty for their ill-gotten entertainment.
  • I can't agree with this viewpoint. This is not a defective product we're talking about here, it's entertainment. It's entirely subjective. To say watching a bad movie is like stealing from you is just silly. There's a certain risk that goes with movies and music. You don't like it? Tough beans, that's life.

    Same goes for the whole "up the standards so people will buy it." Do you go searching for bad movies to watch? Of course not, you're looking for the things that interest you. If all the pirated movies you watched were good, would you go out and pay for them? Of course not.
  • Call me Al
    I completely disagree with you here. A film is a product and when that film is bad it is a defective product. Sure it is subjective but there are various other subjective products that you can still take back and get a refund. The movie industry seems to think it is okay for them to produce rubbish movies and then reap the benefits. The only way to find out of a new film is good or bad is to watch it, and currently that means to pay for it.

    Then your comment on people not paying for what they consider to be good. There have been various reports which show that those who use the internet to fileshare on average spend more money on media content then those who don't. These are people who take an interest in movies and buy them... they just want to try before they buy. Personally I often buy the dvd of a film I have downloaded if I like it and think it is worthwhile. I know various other people who also follow this path. We might be the exceptions but if you consider that the others would never have bought the film in the first place there really isn't a problem.
  • TaylorW86
    My gripe with intellectual property rights is that there is no actual loss, just potential loss. Just because someone downloads a movie doesn't mean that they would have paid to see it in theatres. I have torrented very few movies that I would have paid to see. Pirated movies, especially "Screeners" or "cam" types, filmed with personal cameras, have terrible quality and are not worth making hard copies of.
  • Cole_Abaius
    I'm not sure I see the "upside." I'll be running a piece tomorrow with a response from the INK producer, but in the mean time, all I can see is that a movie is now more well-known. But it's not any better monetarily rewarded. I doubt that they can buy lunch with all the internet theoretical dollars they made from Pirate Bay. Upped the profile? Sure. But funded their next project? Nope.

    Plus, I would argue that it was the buckets of sweat they poured into releasing the film themselves (and paying for all those DVDs) that really pushed the film. Not the piracy, necessarily.
  • I'm going to be honest here and admit to watching a downloaded copy of Ink. And being perfectly okay with it.

    I only like to include films I've actually seen in my weekly DVD column (see! I have scruples!) I had heard such great things about the movie from Cole, and I'm always looking for smaller films that need some love, but as an indie with zero distribution I had no way to see it before it released last Tuesday. So I downloaded it. Watched it. Enjoyed it. Then BOUGHT it. Besides my sale I also got to include it in the column and hopefully encourage some other folks to check it out as well.

    And that's not a necessarily unique story either. I've watched other films via downloads, bootleg dvds, and questionable imports only to love them and end up buying the "official" releases when they came available. And I agree with several of the commenters here that the "lost revenue" numbers that are tossed around as fact are complete bullshit. Most "pirates" would never have spent the $ in the first place so the exact amount of lost revenue is impossible to determine but far less than the numbers they give. Piracy is a problem, but it's not the industry killer the suits claim it to be.
  • Sam
    If i download a movie, I GIVE IT LOTS OF WORD OF MOUTH if good. AND BUY IT< if I like it that much.

    period. I will also never stop going to the movies. (the wife) would kill me
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