Is Comic-Con Anti-Fangirl?

Posted by Dr. Cole Abaius (cole.abaius@filmschoolrejects.com) on July 13, 2009

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I realize that we’re all supposed to be discussing homophobia in the common era what with Bruno being out and waving his nether parts at any unsuspecting Congressperson that rounds the corner, but I stumbled upon (through my friend Sara) this article at io9 that takes an interesting angle on this year’s Comic-Con.

With a title like Female Fans Prepare to Trample Men at Comic-Con, you know it has to be good.

Most of you know the small debacle about the Avatar panel being placed after the Twilight: New Moon panel this year, and the miniature ruckus it caused since a ton of website runners felt they would be hindered in getting in to see that sweet Cameron footage if 1) they would have to wait over 5 hours in line with screaming fangirls to secure a seat or 2) if they had to deal with fangirls taking up all the good seats and remaining for the Avatar panel. Because more than a few website runners complained, Comic-Con actually re-scheduled the Avatar panel…to a time that coincided with the Masters of the Web Panel. A hilarious move if I’ve ever seen one, and one that has since also been rectified.

Basically, what writer Annalee Newitz is throwing out to the unwashed masses is that:

  • An L.A. Times article ran attempting to get females at Comic-Con by tempting them with hot dudes
  • IGN hosted a contest to win a trip to Comic-Con that was only open to men
  • /Film’s Peter Sciretta complained about the logistical problem caused by the overwhelming amount of Twilight fans saving seats in panels they don’t care about

Through these three facts, she makes an interesting case that there’s a strong anti-female bias going on. To which I say:

Duh.

The concept of the fangirl isn’t a new one, but it’s certainly been a world dominated by guys since as long as sci-fi and fantasy have existed. I wouldn’t pretend to defend woman on this front, since I’m not one and they can generally handle their own defense, but it’s also pretty obvious that marketers and those putting on events like Comic-Con know that their bread and butter is male fans.

I do offer a few things I’ve noted, though:

  • Peter over at /film has an argument more against the unfairness of having large numbers buckle an already poorly-run system, especially considering those numbers will get into panels they don’t care about just to save seats
  • I assume his real frustration is over how poorly run Comic-Con is when it comes to press (considering that he and a few others might have seen the prospect of waiting in line for 5 hours to get into the room for something they HAVE to cover for their jobs a bit bothersome)
  • And he raises a better question: Why should Twilight fans have to sit for hours through stuff they don’t care about just to check out the Summit panel? Why should other fans have to miss out on stuff they care about because Twilight fans are taking up their seats? Couldn’t this be solved by understanding the numbers involved and planning accordingly?
  • The L.A. Times article is disgusting
  • The IGN contest is pretty reprehensible, too

I realized that I’ve mostly side-stepped the real issue, but to be honest, I’m not sure what it is. Is Comic-Con anti-fangirl? It’s a good question. I know that it’s easy to stereotype that environment as a male-centric world, and it’s clear that certain promoters don’t or can’t see the value in advertising to a female fan base, but maybe the major question sticking as a thorn in the side of this issue is whether or not it’s okay to decry the popularity of Twilight because the fan base is mostly young girls. Newitz throws out the hypothetical of having a Star Wars panel before the Avatar footage – claiming that no one would wanted to have moved it because its fan base is mostly male, and male fans are tolerated as the “normal people” of Comic-Con.

On the one hand, I wonder if sites would complain that a Star Wars panel drawing in mobs and mobs of fans could possibly “ruin” this year’s Comic-Con because of its placement in the schedule.

On the other, I’m not sure if that argument is an accurate analogy considering the likelihood of Star Wars fans to be genuinely interested in Avatar whereas most Twilighters fled Hall H as soon as Edward stepped off stage last year. I think that there’s a frustration from some film websites that don’t cover Twilight because their audience doesn’t care about it, but I’m surprised a bit by most of them because it seems like, if done right, a representative journalist could get in line in the morning, hang out in Hall H all day, and update from there. He or she would sit comfortably in a seat throughout all of the panels and never have to worry about the hordes, be they huge mobs of girls or boys.

Perhaps a better analogy is one that comes from my growing up on the beach. For 51 weeks a year, the beach was mine to play around on, but every Spring Break, a bunch of tourists would overcrowd the place, littering, and making it impossible for me to get any good surfing in. Twihards are, in no uncertain terms crashing the party, and seem to care very little about anything else going on at the Con.

As for the complaints of sexism lobbed onto the L.A. Times and IGN – I think that it’s a problem stemming from a lack of creativity in the advertising marketplace. Most marketers assume that guys at Comic-Con go for the comics and that girls at Comic-Con go for the hot male stars or because they are being paid to dress up like Lara Croft and hand out flyers. It’s a fairly common, pervasive sentiment in most advertising and something Con has had to deal with (along with the stereotype that it’s 100,000 unwashed, pimply doof-balls wandering around ogling hot girls dressed up like Lara Croft).

For the record, I don’t think Peter at /film is sexist. In fact, I know he’s not. His article has more to do with logistics – it just so happens that the straw that breaks the con’s back happens to be a film that’s fanbase is mostly female. But more so, it’s a fanbase that is mostly interested only in one movie and not in anything else Comic-Con has to offer. io9 has a good point about marketers and certainly the L.A. Times and IGN situations, but /film seems lumped in unfairly.

No matter what, there’s going to be a lot of girls at Comic-Con this year, so guys – get ready.

What do you think? What’s the real issue here? Did you go read Newitz’s piece? Honestly? Go do it.

Editor’s Note: I’ve made a few changes after thinking more about the situation. Hopefully this is a bit more nuanced than my article before.


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  • thank you for writing this. I'm not a Twilight fangirl (and I don't even care for Twilight), but as a female fangirl (who love Star Wars, Terminator, Aliens, etc) I have been APPALLED by the mysogyny and hatred for females, that I've seen on SlashFilm and other film forums. Wow, way to go, douche-bags, for making females feel so welcomed in the film blogosphere.

    Twilight, whether you like it or not, is a legit phenomenon and makes a lot of $$$. Sorry, boys, but Twilight is just as legit as Star Wars or Lord of the Rings. It's a franchise and it has many fans, and it's not going away anytime soon. Even if you hate Twilight, don't forget that at least there's 5 other people in the same room who does. I have complained on Slash Film that it's not fair how Slash writers always ignore female-led franchises, while giving a lot of attention to male-lead franchises.

    Twilight deserves as much coverage as any other movie franchise does. but nobody wants to talk about it, solely based on the fact it's for women, written by a woman, with a woman in the lead.
  • ..but is Bella really the lead? Obviously she's the main character, but Edward is the draw for most, isn't he? I mean, people watch Star Wars for Han, not Luke.

    I'm not disagreeing with you about the rest of what you wrote though. Although I think one of the main reasons /Film (a site I read and love, btw) is so anti-twilight is because, if I remember correctly, they put out a small "Is twilight bad?" sort of article and got pummeled by fans for it.

    It's sort of like this: say I dis your outfit, and then you punch me in the face. So I kick back. Who's fault is it? Is it mine for starting the argument with my dis or yours for upping the ante so much in retaliation?
  • Aleric
    Sorry dude I have to disagree with you on the Han vs Luke debate. Being a Jedi, and having the fate of the universe in your hand is much more appealing than simply being a smuggler.

    Personal opinion
  • I really think there are going to be far less people there just for twilight than many think. Despite what many believe, a lot of fans of twilight the book were sorely disappointed by twilight the movie. There is going to be a big dropoff in people who attend the con sorely for twilight.

    But I think that we now have an interesting topic to discuss: what is the most anticipated panel at the con? Is it Avatar, the Marvel panal, or will it truly be twilight? Or maybe it's one I didn't mention.
  • savagecats
    As a girl and Comic Con veteran, I can say that short of that IGN contest, I've never noticed Comic Con specifically pandering to men OVER women. I mean, sure there are a lot more guys there, but Comic Con is the place to let your geek flag fly and most of the give aways and contests are pretty unisex. I've never felt shut out as a girl (IGN excepted).

    What is a totally valid complaint? Twilight fans specifically, and the *popular media* response to Comic Con. There is still a certain image associated with the Comic Con goer, whether that is basement-dwelling comic nerd or blue fur be-decked cosplay. It is changing slowly, I think. I hope.

    Which brings me to Twilight fans. I have never been so deafened by the squeals of fans as I was when they handed out Twilight posters. I was like three booths over, with probably 200 people between me and them, and I could clearly hear them squee over the general din of the Convention Center. That is some loud fangirl glee. They're annoying. They're pushy. They don't respect fans that are there for other things. That's not anti-girl. That's anti-obnoxious fan.
  • cahcat
    I'm a girl and I've been attending Comic-Con for almost 10 years now. The fangirl group is still not directly addressed and then when people think of fangirls they still get categorized into a certain type, the young ditzy fans just there for hot actor boys, the completely nerdy girls, or something like that. But what about girls who are just fans, like any old fanboy out there. I like comic books, I like movies, I want to buy toys, sit in Hall H for something I'm a fan of, but I'm not to be lumped in just one category over another. It is outrageous, that LA TIMES article, I'm offended.Is that all it's about drooling over hot boys, even if it's a Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt or SUPERNATURAL brothers? Yeah I like them, but there's more to see, more to do, things to buy, artists to meet with, people to networks with. Once again women are just not fairly represented. But what else is new.
  • bg1
    I can't help but agree with the general sentiment behind the comments prior to mine while I feel something slightly reminiscent of disgust for the overtones being thrown around so wildly in the article above. I have seen a relatively equal amount of fan-girls and fan-guys at cons from years of iCon through every year of NY Comic Con and more. The population of a con is more often than not a representative mix of guys and girls and more often than not the girls are just poor significant others who have been dragged into their own personal comic book hell. I can absolutely agree with one of the commenters above who mentioned the distaste for the screaming obnoxious fan. These are not con goers, these vapid things do not care for the con itself nor do they have any respect for the other people there, they are there to scream and faint and lick their drooling chops and claw at anything that they can get their painted little hands on.

    Hell, if you're a Twilight fan and you like other things at con and you're there to celebrate that experience, good, but in my humble opinion: screw these other vamp fan-girls and their total lack of respect for what Con is for everyone else and I genuinely hope this new Rice-esque crap finds its way into the same position that Potter has - a dull, lifeless corpse clinging on to the last strings of popular life before fading into the depths of utter obscurity.
  • This is ridiculous...

    My article had nothing to do with fangirls vs. fanboys it had to do with logistics. The line that everyone points to in my article is when I refer to the non Twilight fans as "normal." Twilighters are proud to admit they are obsessive. No other Comic Con panel in the history of Comic Con had hundreds of fans lining up in the early afternoon the day before the panel. Twilighters are proud of this. It is impossible to compete with such obsessive fandom.

    The argument is not about who or what, its about logistics. If it was fanboys and Star Wars, I would have still written an article.
  • Cole_Abaius
    Then I'm officially sorry to lump you in with the LA Times and IGN (which are clearly sexist), although I did so because you were a main feature of the io9 article.

    I wonder, then, if the main issue isn't really about the fact that Twilighters will be flooding Hall H for a Disney panel that happens before theirs simply to save seats instead of genuinely wanting to see the Disney material. Considering they all abandoned Hall H last year after their panel (and before the Disney one started), that seems reasonable. And, it also seems reasonable that those fans saving seats will take up seats that could otherwise be taken by fans really wanting to see the Disney material.

    I appreciate the clarification.
  • Apology accepted friend.
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