‘Ink’ Producer Responds to Piracy

Posted by Dr. Cole Abaius (cole.abaius@filmschoolrejects.com) on November 15, 2009

A month ago, a little film called Paranormal Activity muscled its way into the marketplace powered partly by the people and mostly by the giant mountain of Paramount. As much as it was touted as a the demands of the masses, it was ultimately a pretend democratic movement.

Almost a year ago, I received an email not unlike the usual random shots in the dark we get – arrows let loose against the blinding sun that a filmmaker or independent producer lets fly and then crosses their fingers hoping they hit the target. The email I received was from a husband and wife team of filmmakers who sent a trailer that made me lose my mind. So they sent me the movie, and I loved it. They then spent the entirety of 2009 bleeding themselves dry to either get noticed by the establishment or to release the movie on their own, city by city.

A week ago, that film was one of the most pirated films in the world and, subsequently, a truly independent film with zero studio ties jumped to #16 on IMDB. It was a real democratic movement.

I spoke with Kiowa Winans, the producer of Ink the day it happened, and what she had to offer was something far more nuanced than the “championing of piracy” meme that seems to be spreading like wildfire. After all, this is a complex situation – one that both helps and hurts – and Winans is more aware of that than anyone.

“We’re struggling filmmakers. You’re not ripping off the major studios,” she says to the initial question of how she feels about the piracy. They own 100% of the film, have done all the distribution themselves, paid for all the DVD and Blu-ray copies, so when people steal the film, they are stealing directly from the filmmakers. In this case, they seem fairly complicit.

Since the film is available through Netflix, Blockbuster and through several independent rental stores, it would seem like the filmmakers aren’t the only ones with something at stake, but when I bring that up, Winans informs me that Netflix doubled the amount of their orders on the day of the piracy and the resulting news blitz. The film was stolen, but it created an audience that wasn’t previously there. An audience that ended up legally attaining the movie and making more money for Netflix.

This seems like a tacit celebration of illegal downloading. But Winans dug deeper and gave their official stance:

It’s been astounding, but as indie filmmakers, as studio filmmakers, as any filmmakers we need to know there’s a financial model that works. If we’re unable to pay back our investors on Ink, we can’t go on. If the exposure equates to dollars, we’re gold. If these users only see it on bit torrent and don’t pay, we’re not.”

She then went on to say that it’s clear that the number of people illegally downloading is not balancing out with the few that have gone on to donate to them or buy the film outright. So it’s helping them in one way (exposure) and not helping them in another (money). Sadly, it’s in the way that really matters where people who want something for free are not doing filmmakers any favors.

Then, I bring up Rhett Reese, the co-writer/co-producer of Zombieland who quickly hinted that piracy was going to hurt the chances of seeing a sequel to the hit. Winans was empathetic to his position, saying, “I feel the worst for guys like Rhett,” and claiming that piracy is destroying the incentive for people trying to make a living in filmmaking from being able to do so. “People who think they are Robin Hood are wrong,” she said.

And she’s right. Believing that piracy is stealing from the already-thickly-lined pockets of Fat Cat executives is naive. It’s people like Reese, who are within the studio system but who have to stay on the grind to maintain their career trajectory, who deliver the content that get hurt most by piracy.

Reese went online today to expand on that idea:

No, I don’t believe that 1 download = 1 lost ticket sale or 1 lost DVD sale. Certainly, there are many people who both contribute to a movie’s legitimate B.O. and also download the movie… including, it turns out, the people I singled out on Twitter. There are also many people who download movies who would never pay to see those same movies in any format regardless. But I do believe that there is a significant, non-trivial population of people who might have (in an ideal world with no piracy) paid to see Zombieland, either in theaters or on DVD, but instead chose to watch it for free, because it was easy and didn’t cost them anything.

No, I don’t subscribe to the Robin Hood argument, which claims that rich, greedy Hollywood studios/actors/writers/etc. have enough $ and don’t need more. Nor do I subscribe to the argument that examines positive correlations between downloads and box office and concludes that popularity in the one (downloads) is somehow causing the popularity in the other (box office). Correlation does not imply causality.

Although he used the awesome online handle Super-Grover, Reese didn’t exactly explain how piracy would hurt their chances for a sequel, but extrapolating the logic isn’t all that difficult. Studios make money on the back end. They want a ton of people there opening weekend, but they really aim for the sales of DVDs and Blu-rays. If the studio believes they can’t make the money they want because of piracy, they might see fit not to make the movie at all.

On the other side of the argument is the proof of profitability that seems to have escaped those in the system, at least when it comes to Ink. Winans saw the piracy as unfortunate on face, but recognized the significance of what it meant and ultimately disagreed with Reese’s position on correlation.

“We’ve spent the past 10 months hearing ‘we can’t advertise your movie, it’s too weird, there’s no audience for it,’ from Hollywood. The activity on the torrent sites, the 400,000 that downloaded it has unequivocally proved there’s a massive audience for it,” Winans said.

It’s hard to say whether that’s true or not. It’s impossible to know whether downloads would translate to an audience – the very reason why piracy is such a hazy topic in the first place. One side argues that they are losing money, another argues that they never had that money to begin with because pirates weren’t going to pay in the first place. Unfortunately, there’s no dependable data on the issue so the arguments on both sides are speculative.

But even Winans doesn’t buy into the correlation completely. “I don’t see it as dollars lost. I see it as fans gained.”

And maybe that’s the entire point. For the big studio pictures, there is no upside to piracy. It’s cut and dry. How harmful it is should be up for discussion, but there’s no doubt that it is, in fact, harmful. But for filmmakers like the Winanses who have made a movie that seems to resonate with an audience that Hollywood never wanted to give them, piracy might not be all bad. It might not be good – considering that it hasn’t given the filmmakers any measurable money – but it might not be all bad. This is a question that most (including myself) don’t even want to consider. In a perfect world, stealing is wrong and filmmakers should be treated with respect. But now we have a very real example of filmmakers who are comfortable with their flick being stolen, a rental outlet who has made more money because of it, and a greater audience for a movie.

However, it’s my personal argument that it’s not the piracy that’s raised the profile for Ink. It’s easy to point to it as proof, but it’s certainly not the true cause. What is, is the blood sweat and tears that have gone into a two-person release team taking their film from city to city on their own, getting the word out, and filling theaters from word of mouth. I doubt that anyone would have pirated the film in the first place had they not read about it or seen the strong reviews coming from websites or from the recommendation of friends who got lucky enough to see it on the big screen. So if indie filmmakers are looking for an easy new marketing tool, I think they are out of luck.

Perhaps this is why even Winans doesn’t blindly celebrate piracy. She has the greatest reason to, but she sees the forest for the trees. It’s nice to see a certain brand of success, I’m sure, but as we’re ending our conversation, she raises an excellent question that applies not only to Ink, but to the rest of the film community.

“Now that we’re here, how do we keep going?”


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  • killianblount
    As both a filmmaker and an avid film pirate, this resonates very much with me. I've found that if people truly car about a film they'll pay for it. Whether DVD or theatrical release, I pay for films I truly love. In the end I've found though that films I pay for without previously having downloaded have disappointed me. More often than not these are DVDs where all you get is a brief synopsis and simple outline of special features. The people, especially in today's economic times, especially including myself as I'm unemployed, paying rent in the city of Chicago with it's vast and expansive taxes, a smoker, and a filmmaker/film lover, need to know where they're putting their money. I like to preview what I'm going to see. If I don't like it, I feel overjoyed that I haven't paid for it. Zombieland couldve been any film to me before seeing it. Now it's a must buy on DVD if only f or the fact to show it to friends who don't see many movies. Especially if that DVD is already available (as is the case with ink, now in my bitcomet queue), it makes for a quick ecstasy induced buy for the sake of exposure to my friends/family. With Christmas coming up, this can only mean revenue for ink as DVDs are a meaningful, cheap, entertaining present enjoyable by many. This is the only reason why theatres even still exist. Movies are best watched with people around to enjoy them with. I once recieved death race as a gift. Looked abysmal, hated Jason statham, thought "wtf?" but ended up watching it with friends and loving it only because I had the DVD and it was something to watch.
    Movies aren't only hurt by piracy. They're also helped. But neither of these is a definitive answer to how piracy affects a film. It doesn't matter. It doesn't 100% do either. It just does. Piracy today, as digital media and torrenting have become mainstream, is, simply put, just another means of distribution and exposure. It's just another factor to factor in.
  • pedroto
    I just loved the trailer of Ink and i'm looking forward to see it. The problem is that I am from Portugal and I don't know when the film arrives here. Furthermore, I don't know If the film hits the theatres, which is a big problem!!!
  • Winnie_T
    That's the issue for the people living outside the US like me. I hear all the buzz about great but relatively unknown films (i.e. Mary and Max, Away We Go; and don't even get me started on foreign films) in this festival and that, but in many countries outside the US only movies that are guaranteed to fill cinema halls are screened by the local film distributors. There's no guarantee even that the DVDs will make it here. So there's no other option than to pirate it. I'm not supporting piracy, but I'm just highlighting the fact that piracy has helped loads of people in the nether regions of the world to enjoy movies the way it would never have been possible before.
  • I just noticed the film is on Netflix Instant Watch, so I'm gonna check it out. Bur I wonder if they get a paycheck from Netflix if enough people watch it?
  • Jeff R Hall
    I spent 20 years in the music industry and the issue of piracy in both mediums have some strong parallels. Basic it works out like this:

    Piracy is bad. Period. No one makes any money and the artist languishes.

    Exposure is great. People hear about your product and will spend money on quality.

    Movie exposure is limited by what the "bean counters" who run the studios (And distributors) think will sell, and therefore make the investors money and get them a contract extension. (The same thing with the music industry.)

    Fortunately we have sites like FSR who can and will expose us to films we may never hear of otherwise. This year I saw Moon, Brothers Bloom, Hurt Locker, Anvil: The Story Of Anvil and 500 Days of Summer when I might otherwise never have heard of those films. Hopefully, further exposure for films like Ink will grow and eventually get them the proper release they deserve. (No, I haven't seen it but if Dr. Abaius says it's good, ir must be quality.)

    Hey, it worked for Paranormal Activity, right?
  • Matt
    What you and they don't seem to understand is that 400,000 downloads doesn't equal 400,000 lost sales. Most of those people would never even think of purchasing the film. Yet many of those that do think about purchasing the film wouldn't have done so without downloading it first. If anything 400,000 downloads translates to a few thousand sales. The rest of the 400,000? They count as nothing but free advertising. The idea that every one who downloads something would have otherwise bought it is asinine and the biggest detriment to the conversation about piracy. There *is* a doubt that it is harmful. Very few people who download movies believe they are Robin Hood. Plenty of them believe they should not have to pay for something that is shoddy work, and there's no equivalent of "returning a bad movie to the store to get your money back" thanks in part to the very fighting of piracy that we're talking about.
  • Cole_Abaius
    While I agree with you that there's no direct correlation for the 400,000 downloads to ticket sales (and I think that's where Kiowa points out that she sees them as gained fans instead of lost ticket purchases), I don't agree with your principle about piracy.

    Here's why. When I was growing up, my father owned a pub, and every day we'd have at least one customer ask to speak to a manager because they 1) didn't like the food despite 2) eating all of it. My father would calmly tell them that the restaurant wasn't a sampling place.

    Simply put, you don't get your money back just because you don't like something. That's part of the risk of sale, the buyer beware that pirates don't seem to want to adhere to. I'm no expert on the mindset here, but it's clear that people downloading things don't believe they should have to pay to enjoy a product. As you said, they don't believe they should have to pay for shoddy work. I understand the impossibility of knowing whether something is shoddy or not before the purchase, but that's how a ton of products in life are.

    I don't believe that everyone that pirates stuff would have bought it otherwise, but I think that people who get something for nothing aren't helping the industry. They are certainly not free advertising.
  • Dave
    While I agree with your father that if you paid for it and just didn't like it then tough, in almost all consumer areas there is at least some correlation between product quality and price (i.e. you get what you pay for and price can be used as a guide for expectation) but with movies no matter the quality (or lack thereof) the ticket price is the same.
  • I feel like the problem is that you think that you should be able to "return a bad movie to the store to get your money back." What makes that okay? Why should you be able to "try out" a movie and then not have to pay for it if it's bad? I believe that to be a very selfish, unreasonable stance.

    Explain another product you can do that with. You don't have the right (as a consumer) to say that just because you don't like something (your opinion), you shouldn't have to pay for it... Please explain that, as I don't understand the mindset under which that's alright.
  • One thing I'd be interested to see is how the relationship of the downturn in the economy and amount of people who pirate. For some people getting a pirated movie may be the only way they can watch the movie, hear a song or whatever. Not that it justifies piracy, but just a thought. I hope with all the added publicity "Ink" has gotten from being pirated translates to the film makers getting more work in the future.
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