Five Ways to Save Spider-Man 4 and 5

Posted by Josh Radde (josh@filmschoolrejects.com) on October 22, 2008

Five Ways to Save Spider-Man 4 and 5

I know we don’t like thinking about Spider-Man much these days. That third movie truly put a bitter taste in everyone’s mouth, and with the news that Tobey Maguire will do a 4th and 5th installment (with returning director Sam Raimi), things didn’t seem to get much better. But with that in mind, I think we need to look at some things that could be positive about Spider-Man sequels.

Elizabeth Banks (Betty Brant), whose only significant role in any film before the original Spider-Man was the amazing cult comedy Wet, Hot American Summer, was recently asked by Devin at CHUD about her potential involvement in any Spider-Man sequels. She replied “I’m the last person they call.” Banks also indicated that if the part they would offer was as small as the cameo she had in the first three films she wouldn’t do it, stating “If it’s that small, I probably won’t do it. They don’t need Betty Brant. It’s purely, at this point – and I don’t think they see it this way – it’s kind of a favor at this point.”

Well, here’s a quick fix: Offer Banks a larger role in Spider-Man 4. With Peter Parker and Mary-Jane’s engagement in turmoil and their relationship questionable at the end of Spider-Man 3, what better time than to bring on a new love interest. And I don’t mean a Bryce Dallas Howard return, but Banks could actually get some screen time (and hopefully a better wig) as Betty Brant. Banks is a feisty actress and is proving with lead roles in Zach and Miri Make a Porno, W., and next month’s Role Models that she can carry a film. She’s attractive, funny, and has real acting chops. I think she’d be a major upgrade over Kirsten Dunst, who I think we’re all getting sick of as tired ol’ Mary-Jane.

Besides, more Betty Brant equals more J. Jonah Jameson. J. K. Simmons is an absolute delight in the role of Peter Parker’s boss at the Daily Bugle. Since the first film, Simmons has shot up to pseudo-stardom, with lead roles in last year’s smash Juno, The Ladykillers, and the hit cable show “The Closer.” He’s always brought his A-game to the role of Jameson, the egotistical, brash, and fast-talkin’ editor and has always been a delight to watch, a bright spot in the black hole that was Spider-Man 3.

And if we’re bringing back characters who were already established, we might as well make a villain out of it. Dylan Baker appeared in Spider-Man 2 as Parker’s college professor Dr. Curt Connors. People familiar with the comic book know that Connors will become The Lizard. But it would be irresponsible to just throw Baker into that role immediately. It might be interesting to see a mentor-mentee relationship with him and Parker first. In Spider-Man 4, Dr. Connors could help Peter/Spider-Man take down a villain. In the comics, Connors helped Spider-Man defeat Rhino, a villain with superhuman strength thanks to a polymer suit (kinda similar in a way to Venom) but not the sharpest tool in the shed, mentally. That villain could lead to some good character work with Connors, introducing his love for his wife and son, and also set-up The Lizard as a foe for Spider-Man for a film and a half.

The Lizard is one of the old-school super villains in Spider-Man, and we know that Sam Raimi LOVES old-school Spider-Man. He voiced displeasure with having to put Venom in Spider-Man 3, and that displeasure led to a lack of interest and screen-time for the fan-favorite villain. We saw what Sam Raimi can do when his interest is piqued, as Spider-Man 1 and 2 were well directed and, more importantly, took themselves seriously as comic book films. It’s become apparent that to get Raimi to dedicate to a film, we need to give him something that he likes. He’s already expressed interest in having Dylan Baker return stating (via Filmonic) “I’m definitely hoping to work with Dylan in the picture. I just don’t know who the villain is yet.” So it’s still up in the air, but hopefully Sony Pres. Amy Pascal gives Raimi the reins and doesn’t force him to tell a story he doesn’t want to this time around.

Finally, in addition to Sam Raimi caring about the story, Tobey Maguire needs to bring back the Parker we know and love. Maguire was good in the first two Spider-Man installments (especially 2), but seemed out-of-sorts in the third. Maybe it was because he didn’t like the script. Maybe it was because they asked him to play evil, emo Spider-Man in addition to making him participate in some of the most atrociously bad scenes put to celluloid in some time (i.e. the jazz club scene). But it’s been reported that he’ll receive $50 million to play Parker/Spider-Man, so the pressure is on for him to create a likable and relateable hero once again. Maguire is a good actor (and holds the distinguished honor of being recipient of MTV Movie Awards’ “Best Kiss” as well) and as long as we get a Parker who will spout corny jokes and a dorky guy who we can all root for to save the world and get the girl, it’ll work.

With great paycheck comes great responsibility.

Do you have hope for the Spider-Man sequels?


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  • I have hopes as long as we can all agree to just get rid of the jazz club scene from our minds.

    If Raimi could commit to it I'd enjoy seeing Carnage who was always one of my favorite villains as a child.
  • Nevernude
    "With great paycheck comes great responsibility"

    i love that line! you guys should be frigging scriptwriters!
  • SUPERJUNK
    They have to do lizard man is some way. He has been hinted at was to many times. And well Rhino sounds awesome and all but I would rather see carnage as long as we get more of him. The length of screen time for Venom was rediculous compared to how long he has been in the spidey universe
  • Bill Brasky
    Dammit Josh Radde

    BRUCE CAMPBELL as KRAVEN

    how many times have we discussed this, and you snub me.

    I love Bruce's cameos, but it is time for him to step up to the big part.
  • What I like about Carnage is that from a distance he seems like spiderman so the whole city can get all anti-spiderman aaaaand segway to J Jonah Jamieson!! awesome!
  • g-man
    i second BRUCE CAMPBELL as KRAVEN. that is an awesome idea! they should do the 6 part
    series from the 80's, "Kravens Last Hunt". That series was absolutely amazing.
  • fracaso
    i love Bruce Campbell, but he wouldn't make a good Kraven. But I can totally get behind Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. For those that don't know, Mysterio is ridiculously over the top. He was a special effects guy who wanted to get attention but taking out Spiderman using his knowledge of explosives, stunts, and effects. PLEASE PROMOTE BRUCE CAMPBELL!!!
  • Simon Morris
    Spideys the jewel in the crown of the Marvel Licences, Its GOT to be handled right.

    Bruce Campbell as Mysterio would be great, It would even work in the lore as he was an Usher in the 2nd film and French Maitre'D in the awful 3rd film, - so just make him a SFX-wizard and Illusionist who drops out of the industry (and his crappy part time jobs:(previous appearences) with plans for world domination/manipulation.

    The third film failed miserably because of the annoying interferences of Ex Marvel Avi Arad and Gale Ann Hurd trying to cram Venom AND New GreenGoblin AND that MJ love story which should of wound down at the conclusion of the second film NOT made into another plot element (a love triangle) for the third film.
    The phrase 'too many cooks spoil the broth' sprung to mind.

    Marvel, concentrate on the Lizard story which has its ground laid already and sow the seeds for another villain story as a sub-plot (maybe The Vulture or Mysterio getting his act together) but dont try and shoe-horn in 'all things for all people again'. recreate the spirit and pace of the first two and you will have a repaired franchise for future films, cock it up again a'la Spidey3 and the franchise is dead, and I really dont want you to fall back on the $re-boot option$.
  • Trace
    Spider-Man 2 was a good movie, but I'm thinking that it was mainly because Doctor Octopus was a regular man, seeking to be of service to the people - then he got shit on and went nuts. But he was a good ol' guy and became a villain due a freak accident that scarred him physically and mentally. Because of his accident, he was arguably the villain, but because he was still Otto Octavius, you can't discard his humanity and you might feel a little sorry for him.

    I agree with Mysterio and Rhino. They're just two guys... one a little slower than the other, but they're guys that don't go nuts due to some lame alien symbiote. They're just bad guys who want to get better at being a bad guy. AND if you want more Jameson, introduce Scorpion. Keep it to the comics, Jameson will have half the screen-time as Spidey. Shocker is just a criminal with crazy gloves - and Vulture was just an old-ass with a grav-pack.

    Carnage means more Venom, more symbiote, more Topher Grace. If you want a dark Spider-Man movie, move ahead with Carnage, but if you ask me, no one wants anymore symbiote for a while. At least I don't.
  • JMoney
    I will watch Spiderman 4 & 5 and hopefully they do a good job, but Spiderman 3 has forever left a bad taste in my mouth, and even if the next two are good, that third one will always be a black eye on the set.
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