Christopher Nolan Talks About Escalating the Batman Saga

Posted by Neil Miller (neil@filmschoolrejects.com) on July 14, 2008

The Dark Knight director Christopher NolanOne look through his filmography and any ardent fan of film can see it — Christopher Nolan knows how to make a very original, engaging drama. From his work on Memento in 2000 to his reinvention of the Batman franchise in 2005 with Batman Begins to his dark magic thriller The Prestige in 2006, Nolan has always delivered his stories in a very refreshing way. But with The Dark Knight, Nolan found himself for the first time in a strange new world, the world of the sequel. In this world it is all about outdoing what you’ve done previously and advancing already complex characters into a brand new story without shifting too far away from what drew fans in the first time around. And in order to keep the world of Batman, one with almost 70 years of lineage fresh, Nolan looked toward raising the stakes and the scale.

“I got interested very much by the idea that we left at the end of Batman is the idea of escalation,” he told us at the recent press junket for The Dark Knight. “The idea of having established Batman as this heroic figure in Gotham who’s going to try and take Gotham back for the good people in the city, that there was going to be an extraordinary criminal response to that, that in going so big as he has in employing such heavy handed tactics you know, what are the criminals going to come back with? And that really manifests itself in the person of The Joker, that was really my interest is, taking this story forward, of seeing it expand out so that Batman’s internal struggle from the first film really sort of takes on a city-wide aspect now.”

Batman and The jokerAnd it was in that internal struggle, Nolan and writers David Goyer and Jonah Nolan found a theme of moral ambiguity, a theme that leads to a very compelling balance between order and chaos, also known as Batman and the Joker. “Batman exists on this very precarious state of somebody who has very negative impulses but tries to channel them into something good and I think that’s a very human dilemma and one that in this film we see infect more and more people, and I think The Joker is very much the catalyst for that infection.”

But much to the surprise of audiences, this balance between good and evil isn’t the traditional type, which is perhaps what makes it most interesting. In you traditional order v. chaos story, both the hero and the villain have a tendency to go through some sort of change. In Batman Begins, Nolan very aptly delivered the transformation of Bruce Wayne into Batman, a man who would learn to deal with his fear in order to be able to use fear to combat evil. As well, Batman Begins saw villains that had a very clear purpose — to flush Gotham City of its population, creating a world where peace could be reborn.

With The Dark Knight, Nolan and team took a very different approach to the villains. At the center of it all is The Joker, played by Heath Ledger, a man who never stops to apologize for his sociopathic ways. “The purpose of The Joker for us was always that he has no arc, he has no development he doesn’t learn anything through the film, he’s an absolute. He cuts through the film sort of like the shark in Jaws so he’s a catalyst for action, people are reacting off and being affected by him.”

The Dark Knight director Christopher NolanAnd to play such a dynamic and unapologetic character, Nolan knew that he would need a special talent: “What I knew I needed for The Joker was an actor of extraordinary talent and that was evident from his other work, has it performance in Brokeback Mountain for example which was truly spectacular,” Nolan explained. “But also an actor who was unafraid who was completely prepared to take on an iconic role and make it his own, and Heath told me he could do that before we even had a script, you know, I met with him, and he and I saw it the same way. We saw it as crafting a character who was an absolute who has devoted a pure, an ideal of pure anarchy, a desire to seek chaos, a desire to just rip the world down around himself, purely for his own amusement, and Heath really got that.”

And get it he certainly did, as posthumous Oscar talks have already begun for the late Heath Ledger, his performance already being heralded as easily one of the best of the year. But for Christopher Nolan and team, the success is not only that Heath Ledger live on through one final, jarring performance, but that The Dark Knight itself takes on an epic scale, raising the stakes from the first film. And thanks to Nolan’s foresight with IMAX and expert casting, his film has taken on a scale unlike anything we will see this year.

For more on The Dark Knight, check out our Official Guide. Also, I would humbly suggest my review.


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  • 790
    Cool article Neil, yeah this film is a phenom an once in a decade event like Star Wars.

    I've seen it and I still think about it.
    Ledger was , Is the Joker. The sets and Batmans gadgits complete the film. So many cool things in every scene. I can guarantee you that the Batpod will be duplicated and marketed in the motorcyle world...............
    Some of the Batman flying scenes are the best in all film.
    Gonna be a great weekend!
  • Nevernude
    Good article.

    One question however will be foremost in the minds of all after TDK hits..what next?
    We have been dissappointed one too many times with movies by the time the third of the sequel rolls out. Superman 3, Spiderman 3, X-men 3..
    Chris Nolan is an intelligent director and im sure he can make the 'holy trinity' a package to remember. Fingers crossed.
  • It seems obvious that Nolan will return to his roots, present Bat III in reverse-chronological order with interspersed black and white scenes of present-day.

    Remember Sammy Jankis.
  • Big Word
    The more I read and see of TDK, the harder it becomes for me to wait for this to come out. Unfortunately I don't have any special hook-up for a pre-screening and btw-I need a job like this, doing something I absolutely love-i.e.-watching movies, & getting paid in full like Eric B. & Rakim! So, if ya'll got any connects in Toronto-please send them my way! So, as I have to wait and missed out on the free Joker IMAX giveaway...I am not sure when I'll be able to see this but all I know is I'm a have to call in a favour for babysitting so my wife & I can go see this awesomeness that is TDK in an IMAX theatre and fully enjoy our summer. My wife is as much a movie and comicbook fan as I am-so this is the most highly anticipated movie of 2008 for both of us!!! (*insert Homer's drooling sounds here.*)
  • Efrain
    Personally I'm sure Nolan can make the third into a great movie as well...perhaps Catwomen?
    Oh and although Xavier died...X-men 3 was an incredible movie, quick playing yourselves!
  • honestly... I prefered Batman begins above TDK... the acting performances were excellent, but I had trouble with the James Bondish sonar gadget batman got, it doesn't suite the film, too farfetched. As for part three, Nolan is an artist and will make a perfect ending for his trilogy and I'm glad he will stop after part three or forever be associated with the batman, too talented for that.

    I guess I liked the first one more because of scarecrow, because he's a character never seen before, maybe for part three get yet an unseen character/villain... perhaps, just of teh top of my head, a criminal gang in the line of the joker, googled some batman villains and found you can set up a whole team in the line of the joker... Ace, King, Trickster, Riddler, Harley Quinn, and so on... perhaps joker can get Dent to get his old friends to Gotham and well something like that, that would be batman renewed... just a thought...

    can't wait
  • Batman 4... do or don't... only time will tell... but I know one thing... Nolan was the perfect director, great fan of him since I saw Memento, one of my favourites flicks ever, but if batman 4 should happen I think there's only one other director artistic enough to step in Nolan's footsteps and that's David Fincher and only him... otherwise leav it with the trilogy...

    They lost me at spiderman 3, they lost me at Xmen2, Fantastic4 silversurfer... it's difficult to make good comicflicks and even harder to make a good sequel... Loved Ironman, loved Incredible hulk, although hated Ang Lee's Hulk... hard business it it indeed...

    You know what I'd very very very much like to see turned into film, no comic I recon, but was a cartoon in the 80's... maybe you guys know it...

    Braveheart
    Strenght of the bear, speed of the puma, eyes of the hawk, ears of the wolve... and he had a transforming horse... with the special effect nowerdays it would work...
  • Snapper
    Caswell said, "Braveheart. Strenght of the bear, speed of the puma, eyes of the hawk, ears of the wolve… and he had a transforming horse… with the special effect nowerdays it would work…"


    I think you mean BraveStarr
  • yes indeed bravestar, ty snapper...
  • oh and Will Smith should play him... and make it dark like the batman movies (nolan) no star wars... I hate spacemovies... though I liked Event Horizon...
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