Bale Would Quit Batman Over Robin

Haaaaaaaaaaaallelujah!! Haaaaaaaaaaaallelujah!! Hallelujah Hellelujah!

Mr. Bale, you are a very intelligent man. Not only have you created the definitive Batman/Bruce Wayne, you also seem to know about the right decisions regarding the movies.

Great, no Robin... keep the grittiness all the way!

Oh, Fure. Once again we find ourselves on opposing sides. First, I think it's ridiculous to discount the father/son connection and theme that runs throughout Batman and obviously includes Robin.

Second, Robin is a solid character in Batman: Dark Victory, and you know it. It COULD be done well. Unfortunately, the bad taste left in our mouths from the TV show and Chris O'Donnell means the stigma will probably ensure that Robin never gets his due.

Besides, you cannot tell me it wouldn't be awesome to have Batman adopt the poor kid, train him, fight along side him, gain a solid attachment, and then have a villain blow up Robin in a factory? Very Awesome? Yes.

Robin has been handled well in about 5 story arcs in the past 40 years. Not good. I'd love to see Robin blow up in a factory, only because I hate Robin (and so did the fans, who voted to kill him).

I'd like to keep him out of the new franchise because if you introduce Robin, that entire movie basically has to be about Robin and he won't obviously die in that one (it would be too soon) so you get stuck with 2 movies with Robin.

No Boy Wonder for me.

I think they could handle the whole Robin situation in a future film by perhaps referring to him in the past tense. Perhaps in a story that takes place a few years later Bruce is dealing with his death, which I think would be more significant and meaningful than introducing a new Robin. This could even be quite subtle and not even a direct reference, but just one more sting of guilt for Mr. Wayne to deal with. This way it appeases fans of the boy wonder and that continuity without derailing this wonderfully dark Batman franchise.

Robin is definitely a caker (a blatant homosexual). The character sucks. If anything, I could possibly see Nightwing!

The inclusion of Robin would be a bad move for the franchise. It just wouldn't work with the current tone of the new films. Sorry Robin, but you just don't cut it.

The key is to use the current tone of the movie and re-create that with Robin. It's definitely doable, but it's a matter of creating a realistic Robin, not a cartoon Chris O'Donnell who watches his family die in such a (forgive me) wacky way. Find him in the street starving to death in The Narrows.

You can also make the film without focusing entirely on Robin. Just create enough of an attachment to him so that when he's blown up in a warehouse, the audience is shocked. Killing off important characters is awesome.

The biggest obstacle is that damned costume.

Firstly, many of the fans that complain about Robin think exactly as those who think Batman is just a goofy guy in tights.....and that watching a comic book movie is beneath them. Batman Begins proved that a comic book character could be done in excellent fashion and NOT BE RIDICULOUS. Now these same Batman fans may appreciate this.....but are CLOSED MINDED when many others would like to see the same thing done for the Dick Grayson character....Batman The Animated Series did an awesome origin (emmy award winning to be exact) episode about it.......and when he finally was Robin...he wasn't some little kid....He was more along 19 or 20 years of age (guessing by the Animated Series since he's in college).

If Christian Bale is saying he won't do Batman because he fears that it will be the 1998 version of B&R....then I completely understand.....if it's because he thinks it's silly....then I would venture to say he's NOT as intelligent as I believed him to be.....Christian....you're running around in a Bat suit for God's sake! Doesn't matter if you're a great actor....if it were written & filmed poorly......you would suck......simple as that. And that's the bottom line with Robin.....It's THE EXACT SAME THING.....IF DONE AS WELL AS BATMAN BEGINS OR THE DARK KNIGHT......IT WOULD BE AWESOME. But some fans just want to refuse to believe that though......sad thing is....that if WB had the same pesimist attitude as these fans.....Batman Begins or The Dark Knight WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN MADE.

For me the Big 3 has always been Batman, Spiderman, and Superman (although Superman was more fun when I was kid....not as engaging anymore....despite his powers). I've always had favorites taking turns at the number 1 spot......Batman, Spiderman, The Fantastic Four, the X-Men.....but I'd say Batman is probably the one who has hovered at number 1 the most often.....with the exception of Robin (whom I don't consider to be as popular as the Big 3.....but is my all time favorite). The reason I like Robin's whole story is because his origin story makes Batman's origin story resonate even more. The are connected by tragedy...which makes for great story telling. But that won't mean a damn thing if they have another Chris O'Donnel version permeate the Silver Screen. The only thing worse than Chis O'Donnel as Robin was Alicia Silverstone as a blonde Batgirl.....yuck.

And the "original" Robin is never blown up in a warehouse (it's the 2nd Robin...Jason Todd)....he grows up to eventually become Nightwing......a character I've grown to enjoy almost (and pretty damn close at that) as Batman. The Robin costume is also not that big of an issue so long as the greens, reds, and yellows of his Costume are of a dark enough shade......and the yellow has to be on the inside of his cape....while the rest of his cape is black on the outside......the cape worked well in Batman TAS........I believe it would also work well in a live motion picture......Nolan said he needed someone fearless...and that's why he picked Ledger to do the Joker.........can the same be said for Nolan & Bale when it comes to honoring the complete mythos of Batman? Only time.....will truly tell......but it seems unlikely.

Yes,

Robin can be silly, silly, silly. However, as The Dark Knight Returns demonstrated, he/
she can be essential to the story. Batman's motivation to having Robin is in minor part
to get his ass out of trouble when he gets captured or overwhelmed; but mostly it's
because he knows he is mortal, and that he won't be around forever. The fact that he
is grooming someone to take his place shows the audience that he knows he's just a
man, and can (and will) be killed someday. It would be shortsighted (and self-
aggrandizing in a way) to just fight crime until he dies, with no thought of the future.
Training a replacement shows he wants his fight for justice to carry on after his death,
and that he views his mission as bigger than himself. Take that away, and you take a
lot of stakes for Batman out of the picture. It all depends on how you portray Robin.
Throwing him in there against thugs would be stupid; having him in a safe place
observing and as a backup provides another layer to the story.