300 and One? More Spartans on Horizon

300 was amazing and I would love to see a longer, more epic 300 style movie.

what an absolutely awful idea

Well at the end of 300 they never show how Persia actually did manage to take over parts of Greece, they make it seem like Persia pushed forward but was met with the Spartan army and were then defeated which is obviously not true.

The main thing to note is that this is a movie, and it’s fictional and dramatized. It’s not so much a historical re-enactment as it is a movie loosely based on historic events. It’s just for entertainment, so continuity really doesn’t matter. Personally I think the Persian looked a lot cooler then the Spartans, the cosmetic/aesthetic design of the Persian army was much more interesting to me.

Epiminondas could kick Lenoidas’ ass and Thebes was thrice the city state that Sparta was. Sparta was a vicious dictatorship that enslaved all they conquered and butchered Mycenian Helots for sport. Even in the 300 comic, Miller’s Leonidas says “Leave democracy to the Athenians.” I would like to see a countersequel that shows how Epiminondas and the Thebans anihilated Sparta’s best at Leuctra, liberated all their slaves in a proto-United States Boetian League and took on all of Greece’s imperialist states and won against impossible odds only to give up because their leader Epiminondas was killed in the battle. I want a movie that shows fascists being defeated by real free men who liberate rather than conquer. That would be a worthy answer to 300. And yes I loved 300 for what it was, an ahistoric comic book legend.

“Takes all the fun out of it when Spartans fight Greeks. No more hidden racist undertones in these battles. Will the greeks now be depicted as deformed monsters too?”

QFT. Don’t forget the skinny people with British accents were “weak-looking” athenians. It would be amazing to see an Iranian version of the same kind of story XD

Athenians were never pictured in the movie 300, seeing as they never helped the Spartans at the “Hot Gates”. I believe you meant the Thespians, who did send approximately 1000 men to aid the Spartans. This is for you Contraife, so you know.

This is absurd, 300 is the film adaptation of Frank’s novel. The movie covered everything and then some (with a few minor exceptions) there is no second book, to want to do a sequel is an abomination. I would loose all respect for Zach Snyder and especially Frank if they went on board for this.

It is interesting where they can take this. There are a few ways they can. One is do the war where the persians loose. The war against mesopotania, where sparta was the last standing of the greek empires. I personally would want them to do the war involving King Phillip or Alexander the Great!

ggamer25, you are either reading biased pro-Spartan history or you actually like the idea of dual dictatorship with one king ruling “Homeland Security” and the other permanently at war to enslave other peoples.

From “Thebes” in Wikipedia:
“the Spartan garrison was expelled and a democratic constitution was set up in place of the traditional oligarchy. In the consequent wars with Sparta, the Theban army, trained and led by Epaminondas and Pelopidas, proved itself the best in Greece (see also: Sacred Band of Thebes). Years of desultory fighting, in which Thebes established its control over all Boeotia, culminated in 371 BC in a remarkable victory over the pick of the Spartans at Leuctra. The winners were hailed throughout Greece as champions of the oppressed. They carried their arms into Peloponnesus and at the head of a large coalition, permanently crippled the power of Sparta, in part by freeing many helot slaves, the basis of the Spartan economy. Similar expeditions were sent to Thessaly and Macedon to regulate the affairs of those regions.”

Debating which of the Greek nations was ‘better’ than the others is a bit silly; modern (Western) morality can’t comprehend the general misery and horror endemic to the everyday lives of even the most successful individuals who lived at the time. Slavery in Greece was widespread, and was rarely questioned. The Spartans were reviled for enslaving other Greeks– the Messenians– and were widely considered to be fanatical idiots. Films like ‘300′ are a nice fantasy, but the evidence seems to indicate that most Spartans were extremely corrupt, ignorant and violent. (FWIW, all Spartan warriors were also homosexual. Men lived strictly apart from their women, and sexual relationships were enforced among the ranks in order to promote cohesion and unity.)
Almost of the historical record for ‘300′ comes from Herodotus, who was writing 50 or so years after the events he describes. The Spartans were integral to the defense of the Greek peninsula, but they left most of the heavy lifting to the Athenians. All of the Peloponnesian Greeks insisted on withdrawing behind the Isthmus of Corinth…which would have been a disaster, had it happened. The Athenians insisted on making a naval attack at Salamis under Themistocles, which destroyed the Persian fleet and cut their supply lines. Mardonius stayed behind with the Persian land forces, and was destroyed at Plataea, but he certainly would have prevailed if the Persian naval force was still around.
The Spartans had very little to lose during the Persian Wars, aside from their slaves. Spartan forces were often wary of leaving home for too long, as the Helots took every opportunity to revolt against them. Athens was sacked and burned prior to the battle of Salamis, and the Athenian countryside was ravaged. During the subsequent Peloponnesian Wars, Sparta actually enlisted the help of the Persians against Athens, and this certainly contributed to the widespread hatred against them.

Will this become like the Matrix 2 and 3 all over again. The first was great. When studios get excited over sales to make a sequel it spells failure.

A possible 300 2, 300+1, 301…whatever you want to call a sequel…I thought the first one was ok, not all that great but still a good movie, but it is very rare for a sequel to be as good as the first movie.

I read something about the Matrix series in one of the previous comments, that is a great example! The first one was a great movie and still is, the sequel wasn’t to bad but when they came out with the 3rd one, I was glad it ended because the fight scenes just looked so animated and not real at all…I hope that isn’t the case if there’s a 300 part 2.

“Actually Watch TeleVision, the movie is quite accurate to the actual battle.”

Actually, no it’s not. It’s only (vaguely) accurate to Herodotus’ account of the battle. Well, the problem with that is a) he wasn’t there to witness it, b) he’s a known liar, and c) his idea of history was that it was okay to bend the truth if it was more entertaining that way.

There is scant evidence that the Battle of Thermopylae happened at all, let alone that it happened how Herodotus said. It’s just as likely that Leonidas attempted to ally Sparta with Persia and was killed in the negotiations. Or that Leonidas committed ritual suicide at Thermopylae, and the Persians passed the site totally unopposed. There is no real corroborating evidence for Herodotus’ melodramatic crap, and Spartan might was more or less ALWAYS a legend, and not a reality.

The Sacred Band of Thebes, however, was definitely homsexual. The rationale was that lovers fighting in pairs fought more fiercely, and were therefore better soldiers.