Discuss: How Violent Does a Pivotal ‘Watchmen’ Scene Really Need to Be?

Posted by Rob Hunter (rob@filmschoolrejects.com) on January 27, 2009

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Spoiler Warning: If you haven’t read the graphic novel, and don’t want to know a major plot point of the film, stop reading. If you have read it or don’t care, continue on and hit us with your opinion.

Jeffrey Dean Morgan recently spoke with MTV’s Splash Page about the rape scene in the upcoming film Watchmen. To the great relief of fanboys worldwide (and I imagine to the lesser relief of fangirls) he’s confirmed that it’s “really very violent.” He was even kind enough to provide an unintentionally snicker-worthy attempt at innuendo, saying “It was a three-day process shooting that particular scene, and it was hard… It was three of the hardest days of filming I have ever had to do.” Shameful Mr. Comedian, shameful.

My initial response to MTV’s posting was to ask why? Not only why is this news, but why does the scene need to be “really very violent” anyway? Yes, I realize rape is a crime of violence, not of sex, and yes, I realize that by that definition any scene involving rape is unavoidably violent. But is the event so important to the plot that it needs to be highlighted and glorified as “one hell of a violent scene?”

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The Comedian (Morgan) is shown in a flashback assaulting Silk Spectre (Carla Gugino), before being interrupted by Hooded Justice (Glenn Ennis) who proceeds to beat the crap out of him. The actual assault runs about ten panels long in the original comic, but only the final one or two show the rape (or attempted rape) in progress. There are plenty of punches, kicks, and scratches before he bends her over and makes her go “ghuuchh.” The violence on display doesn’t look as if it should take more than a minute of screen time, but has director Zack Snyder decided to give this particular plot point more visual and dramatic weight?

Much has been made of Snyder’s attention (re: obsession) to detail while bringing Alan Moore’s classic comic to the big-screen. Photos and trailers have shown costumes, props, and panels themselves brought uncannily to life with an amazing exactness so we should expect nothing less from the rape scene… right? “When you’re looking at the comic book you only get a couple panels so there is a lot of stuff there that needs to be filled in,” Morgan said, “so we fill in the blanks there between three and four panels, and it turns out to be one hell of a violent scene. And it’s all intact.” Makes some sense, but it’s a fine line between dramatic necessity and gratuitous filler. Good taste aside, could the violence of the scene go too far for the purposes of the story and character arcs that follow?

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There seems to be some disagreement over whether or not The Comedian actually rapes Silk Spectre or if he’s stopped by Hooded Justice before her bat cave has been penetrated. If that ambiguity is to remain onscreen then Snyder’s filler will need to focus solely on the beating and not elongate the part that makes Silk Spectre go “ghuuch,” but even then the line may still be crossed. The Comedian is present throughout the story in the form of flashbacks that show him to be a pretty bad guy. Later revelations in the comic force the readers to re-evaluate their view of the man just a bit, but will viewers be able to do the same after watching him pummel, pound, and rape a woman for a few minutes?

** More Potential SPOILERS Alert ** Silk Spectre is seen crying over a picture of The Comedian, and when it’s revealed that she had a consensual relationship with him after the assault and that he’s the father of her daughter (and biological sequel, Silk Spectre II) the audience needs to empathize with her. As written by Moore, his physical transgression was forgivable. (Either that or Silk Spectre was just a poorly written female plot device.) Rape is the one thing I’m unable to become desensitized to onscreen, no matter how many times I’ve seen it and no matter how skillful the filmmaker. I would assume (and hope) that the same can be said for most viewers, meaning Snyder has a difficult task ahead of him here. We need to be able to feel compassion for the man she loved to understand her pain, but witnessing his vicious, brutal, and overly violent assault on her an hour earlier may make that impossible. Morgan says “It’s rated ‘R’ for a reason” but I’d like to think that rating is for violence and themes throughout and not just due to one gratuitous assault that in the grand scheme of Watchmen’s plot really isn’t that important.

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What do you think? Should the rape scene be as quick and ambiguous onscreen as it is in the comic or should it be even more violent? Have you ever made your sex partner go “ghuuch?”


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  • Elizabeth
    I think most actors having to portray that character would find filming the scene exactly as it's shown here would still call it violent, difficult, and draining to do. Morgan could easily just be referring to having to film the scene at all, and in filming you have to remember that you do things over and over, and that the most minuscule moments get highlighted and crafted to get even the shine of a fill light just right.

    I'm still finding filming for a day at a time draining, I can't imagine spending three days to get a pivotal scene just right. So I can easily imagine that all of this talk is about it being done almost exactly as it was in the comic.

    Until I actually see it on the screen, I won't pass judgment on it or speculate. It could go either way. Of course, if they made it more violent or more explicit then it's pretty much unnecessary and on this side of glorification of a heinous act. But I don't know that I think they did.
  • "if they made it more violent or more explicit then it's pretty much unnecessary"

    Agreed!
    If they stuck to the comics depiction it will be fine.
    Anything added for shits and giggles would be wrong..
  • It's a tough call to say whether it should follow the same vagueness of the comic book or be a bit more graphic for the film's sake. The comic book is the opposite of cinematic, but for such a violent scene, I would say less is more. Give us the hints, let us see where the direction is going, and then give it to our imagination to fill in the gaps.

    From the stills, it looks like The Comedian is being creepy and Sally Jupiter is looking gruff and vulnerable all at once for the scene. No doubt it was a tough scene to film. For both sides.
  • Huh
    I think he was referring to the scene where the Comedian shoots his pregnant Vietnamese girlfriend after she slashes his face with a broken beer bottle. And that scene is pretty violent, and pretty horrible. In the interview he talks about how it explains his scar, so I'm pretty he meant that scene, but just a thought
  • Loudmouth Half-Breed
    If it is a far cry from Irreversible's scene than I will be happy.....

    Makes me sick just thinking about it.
  • I found it hard to accept The Comedian as anything but a monster. I didn't think that Silk Spectre's forgiveness of the event was believable in the slightest.

    If they reveal less of the rape, then they are playing an important emotional event down and yet if they made it very powerful (in complete darkness with just her screams) then you would never be able to accept why Silk Spectre forgave (?) him.

    I'm glad it's not my call.
  • could we all go as far as to say this movie is going to suck?
  • Mladen
    thats my expectation anyway.... i couple of flashy trailers and now all of a sudden this is the most anticipated superhero movie of 2009? And why is it that about 80% of the people really excited to see this movie, haven't read, or barely heard of, the comic?
  • Arou101
    78% of all statistics are made up.
  • Mladen
    fine, 8 out of 10 people i've talked to, wiseguy. ;)
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