Boiling Point: Big Boss Battles

Posted by Robert Fure (robert@filmschoolrejects.com) on October 19, 2009

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Talking movies and video games in the same sentence is pretty obvious these days, but something that goes back even further is us nerds using video game terms all over the place.  When I say “big boss battle,” you know what I’m talking about.  Coming to the end of a stage, the gamer is often faced with one last challenge, one big bad boss battle before he gets to move on to the next area.  Finally, at the end of the game, you’re faced with the biggest, baddest bad guy the developer can throw at you.  They want you to earn it.  It’s satisfying.  Each step is harder to take, but more rewarding to accomplish.  Movies, and since this is October we’ll be talking monster/horror movies mostly, try to follow this scheme – but they get it wrong.

What first put it in my head to talk about this was script news about the down-the-road Predator sequel, apparently going to be called Predators. Sketchy casting aside, the movie sounds awesome – a group of badasses (led by Adrien Brody??) are abducted and put into the Predator homeworld, where the huntsman aliens go about killing them with varied means.  In the description, there is talk of a “Black Super Predator,” or as it was described “a Predator on steroids.”  Sounds awesome, right?  Definitely.  However, therein lies the problem. The Black Super Predator is a Big Boss.  We’ve seen what just one Predator can do.  In the original film, just one is enough to slaughter dozens of bad guys before eviscerating a half-dozen of the hardest American Special Ops mothers on the planet.  In the sequel, a lone Predator tears his way through a gang war, leaving dozens dead.  In Alien vs Predator we see, again, basically one Predator tear his way through men and alien alike, even laying down a pretty good case of whip-ass onto a Queen alien.  In the sequel to that film, one Predator, still just your average huntsman, kill about 75 aliens, a dozen people, and go hand to hand with a Super Alien Predator hybrid and fight it to a standstill.  So basically, a Predator is a badass.  Now image a SUPER BLACK PREDATOR.  He must be exponentially tougher.  Yet, the Super Black Predator is going to lose.  Because this is a movie.

Not only that, but he’s going to lose to Adrien Brody or Topher Grace.  What the hell, man?  Our heroes keep getting less and less impressive.  We started with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesse Ventura, and Carl Weathers.  Now we get Brody and Grace fighting a trio of SUPER Predators?

We’ve seen this before.  The Big Bad guy soon becomes just another guy.  Remember Power Rangers? When the Z-Putties (Putties from Lord Zed, as opposed to those from Rita Repulsa) first showed up, they were kicking the hell out of the Rangers.  The Ultimate Putties.  Three episodes later, they were just regular putties again, basically.  Same thing with Ivan Ooze and his birdmen.  They were insanely tough, then standard fare.  Toss it into comic books – Doomsday killed Superman.  Straight up fought him and killed him in a fair fight.  Now, Superman can fight about fifty Doomsday monsters at once.  A single Sentinel used to spell big trouble for the X-Men, but at various times they could fight and destroy a half-dozen of them.

Look, the good guy has to win, I get that.  But there are ways to make it better.  First off, if you’re going to introduce a super bad guy, let him kick some ass.  Let him toss everyone around and kill some people.  Give him time to earn that reputation.  Nothing is worse than the biggest baddest guy ever showing up, only to be defeated in 5 minutes because the film is running a bit long.  Like in Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen. Devastator and The Fallen both look bad-ass, but Devastator is taken down in one shot and The Fallen is killed, awesomely, in about 30 seconds.  What?  Aren’t these supposed to be super transformers?  Second, don’t replace your average foot soldier with the super soldier.  If we see a sequel to Predators it can’t just be all Super Predators taking the place of regular Predators and then dying.  Because then how are they super?  If you’re going to make the biggest, baddest, meanest killer ever, treat him like such.

You want a movie that does it right?  Terminator. That franchise, with the exception of the last installment, did a good job.  We meet T-800.  He is a badass, hard to kill.  Then we get T-1000.  Even harder to kill, it takes the entire run time to beat him, and just barely.  Same goes in the third with the T-X.  If the normal Hollywood mantra prevailed, in T-2 we’d have Arnold fight the T-1000 for 2 hours and 15 minutes and then the T-SUPERKILLER would show up and Arnold would kill it in 10 minutes, even though its the Super Killer.  BAH.  Every time I see this awesome super-bad guy (Darth Maul!) introduced and then immediately killed (despite how much we’re supposed to fear it), I explode past my boiling point.

What movies/comics have pulled this BS on you?

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  • Cole_Abaius
    Dude, this goes to a larger problem going on in a lot of movies these days. For the most part I blame writers who are scared of harming their heroes. Put them in real danger. Let them lose a limb if that's what they need to learn to be tougher.

    It's a mistake of assuming that audiences always want something bigger, badder and harder to beat but then not being ballsy enough to put the hero through crucible he or she needs to fight through to be truly great enough to defeat something near-invincible.
  • Word. Even if you don't want to cut off an arm, you can break it - badly. In the end, they'll still be whole after some recovery time. My main beef is just always that if someone spends 85 minutes struggling to beat little dinosaurs, how are we to believe they can defeat T-Rex in 10?
  • Unless those little Dinosaurs are Veloceiraptors. Then you're royally screwed, unless you're a plucky girl gymnast.
  • Kangaroo Be Stoned
    I personally like how The Fallen gets his shit ruined so quickly.
  • Christopher_M
    I understand why they want to add more Predators if they're using Aliens as the example...but don't forget there was a big boss in Aliens..."the Queen Alien"....so an ultra Super Black Predator isn't out of the question...

    when it comes to the casting Rodriguez has always made odd choices...George Clooney (From Dusk Till Dawn) and Freddy Rodriguez (Planet Terror)...even Antonio Banderas hadn't been known for action roles before Desperado...he was playing very feminine roles in Philadelphia and Interview With A Vampire previously
  • danandcan
    I lost interest in your blog about predators after you started to sound like you know that the SUPER BLACK PREDATOR is going to loose at the end.. for all you know he gives Adrian a ride home for doing such a good job making it off the game reserve... Also I think the its also unwise to assume Toper Grace makes it to the end of the film when It could be that topper trys to kill one of his fellow humans and will end up getting left behind by the rest of the group to fend for himself ending up as predator dog meat. I coudl go on about how every blog about predators pisses me off because they have been writen by MR. KNowitalls who are just fan boys in grown up bodies. well some are in grown up bodies... The dude who played Jason will be the guy from prison armed with a shank.. Walton Gogins is not the gangster type. My real hope is that the SUper Black Predator is code for MIKE J WHITE from blood and bone being cast as the lead predator.. His size and 7 black belts are rather super. All the people who dont like the casting of predators are super flamers who want beef cake and think the AVATAR Trailor sucked when its meant to be watched in a Theater in 3D. So keep on assuming you know everything and when the movie comes out next summer and is nothing more then tottaly freaking awesome then you all can try and worm your way around the plot pick it apart and complain some more because mommy never loved you and HollyWood would never hire you
  • danandcan
    I also think its funny how people focus on the 2 smallish actors one of whom has an oscar for best actor when this movie has Danny Freaking Trejo a russian tank and a huge African dude and who ever Nolan is and a fricken Ninja.... Predator had Hawkins WHo was small Poncho was small.. predator 2 had all normal sized people .. I think you all should go down to your local chip n dales bar or thunder from down under and get all the muscle men your eyes can handle... I for one am wanting good acting along side the russian tank and danny trejo and so on... I would guess most of the negative feed back is coming from people who dont like that the producer of predators is Latino.. There i said it.. you haters are just a bunch of racists.
  • long post is long
  • The movie is about 3 Super Black Predators. Guaranteed at least one, if not more, of them die. Who cares if Topher or Adrien survive? They're in the movie as "The ultimate prey" and they are tiny little guys. That's kind of lame.

    And why care who is cast as the Super Black Predator? Sure, Michael Jai White can kick ass, but why bury him in 60 pounds of rubber? Not a smart move.

    Also, check out our coverage or ANYTHING Robert Rodriguez. I don't think we've ever said a bad thing about him. We love that guy. We're PSYCHED he's producing. We wish he would direct. So while we're not racists, you're clearly barely functioning in terms of literacy.
  • danandcan
    He was spawn he can handle the out fit and who else do you have in mind to play a predator and why cant you just be happy that PAul W.S anderson is not involved ... I dont think you are a fan of the predator films if all you do is doubt and hate and fear and have a hurt butt over AVP and AVP r try and be more positive about the whole thing OR better yet dont have an opinon untill after you see the movie
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